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re: Is ND that much better with Freeman??
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:34 am to tiger9394
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:34 am to tiger9394
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In my opinion it's because they got blown out by that same team later in the year, and then got blown out by Alabama in the playoff. When it mattered most this year, they won the big game. I mean would you value a regular season win against the #1 team (who you go on to lose to at the end of the year) more than a playoff win against the SEC champion? I know what I'd prefer.
That makes no sense. You're using hindsight against BK.
If Freeman gets blown out next week does that change your opinion?
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Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:34 am to lsufball19
quote:I'd say a team that won 2 of the last 3 national championships, is the current SEC champion, and has not lost a non conference game since 2016 is of similar caliber yes.
I'll ask again, has Freeman even played against a team even close to the caliber of the teams who have beaten Kelly in the CFP/BCS title game
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:34 am to tiger9394
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nd then got blown out by Alabama in the playoff.
Only one team lost to that Alabama team by fewer points than Notre Dame did (17) in 2020. Put that team against the 2024 Notre Dame team, and it's not close either.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:34 am to tiger9394
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I just don't see how you can say this isn't a bigger win for the program than Kelly ever had. It was a playoff win against the SEC champion. I'm confused how this is a debate.
You don’t see how making the national championship game is better than making a semifinal?
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:35 am to tiger9394
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I'd say a team that won 2 of the last 3 national championships, is the current SEC champion, and has not lost a non conference game since 2016 is of similar caliber yes.
So 11-3 UGA is of similar caliber as three national title winning teams? What UGA did years prior is irrelevant. Freeman didn't beat those teams. He beat the 2024 UGA team
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:37 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:'Makes no sense' seems a little harsh. I feel like that's not a crazy opinion? If Freeman gets blown out next week I'd certainly be surprised. But at the end of the day Freeman won a playoff game against the SEC champion. This is something Kelly never achieved is my only point.
That makes no sense. You're using hindsight against BK.
If Freeman gets blown out next week does that change your opinion?
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:41 am to vidtiger23
In 2012 when they made the Natty? I mean that was back when there was no semifinal to win though? My only point is that Kelly never won the games that mattered the very most. Freeman has now won two win or go home games in a row. I feel like we give Kelly way too much credit (and far too much money).
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:41 am to tiger9394
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But at the end of the day Freeman won a playoff game against the SEC champion. This is something Kelly never achieved is my only point.
at the end of the day, Kelly never had the opportunity to play in a quarterfinal game against a 2-loss SEC champion. Freeman has never played a semi-final or final game against an undefeated SEC champion. The title SEC Champion doesn't mean this year what it has in previous years. In previous years, almost without exception, at worst you were playing a 1-loss SEC champion but most of the time an undefeated SEC champion. Do you really think this year's Notre Dame team would have a prayer of beating any of Saban's SEC champion teams? Those are the SEC champs Kelly played in the playoffs
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:42 am to Cleary Rebels
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With a backup QB.
Coach O had to do this 2 years in a row and gets no sympathy, or nuance.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:42 am to tiger9394
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and far too much money
price of doing business now. And in a few years, his yearly salary probably isn't even a top 10 salary in college football. It's 7th right now. You want to hire or retain an established coach, you're going to pay top market price. Our fans demanded hiring a coach like him when buying out Orgeron. It was pay Kelly what we did or pay Lincoln Riley more.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 11:44 am
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:44 am to lsufball19
Fair enough. Just don't think he's our guy is all.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:45 am to tiger9394
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But at the end of the day Freeman won a playoff game against the SEC champion. This is something Kelly never achieved is my only point.
My great grandfather never drove 100 MPH either, but I have. Doesn't mean he wasn't capable, he just didn't have that opportunity.
Kelly never had the opportunity to do the same thing Freeman did.
There wasn't a 12 team playoff, he didn't get to face an SEC champion with a backup quarterback.
If Freeman were playing under the same system that Kelly did, they're sitting at home right now and we're talking about another squandered year at Notre Dame because they lost to a MAC team.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:45 am to tiger9394
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Just don't think he's our guy is all.
maybe he is, maybe he isn't. But he is probably the most qualified hire we have ever made at the HC position at the time of the hire. You're playing the odds when making a coaching hire. Nothing is a guarantee, and it's easy to get wrapped up in hindsight
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:46 am to tiger9394
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Fair enough. Just don't think he's our guy is all.
Who would be?
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:47 am to vidtiger23
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You don’t see how making the national championship game is better than making a semifinal?
Doesn’t fit his narrative.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:50 am to Brendoni
quote:Haha it's not a narrative I'm trying to push, just my honest opinion. Got some rage in the thread today! There just wasn't a game in 2012 that Kelly won like last night. They made the BCS natty, and then they lost. Not sure what you mean by doesn't fit my narrative.
Doesn’t fit his narrative.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:53 am to tiger9394
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Haha it's not a narrative I'm trying to push, just my honest opinion.
And props to you for actually debating and not shitposting.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:25 pm to LSBoosie
Drop you bc you lost your QB? Never heard of it. Show me where they dropped FSU.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:35 pm to LikeMike02
Freeman is a good coach. That’s why LSU tried twice to hire him as D Coordinator. ND was his first head coaching job.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:39 pm to LikeMike02
Is is not clear? ND got the better of that deal.
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