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Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:17 am to tiger9394
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Their recruiting classes have been way better for three years straight than any of Kellys.
2025: 12
2024: 9
2023: 12
2022: 7
AVG: 10
Kelly
2021: 9
2020: 18
2019: 16
2018: 10
2017: 10
2016: 15
2015: 13
2014: 11
2013: 5
2012: 17
2011: 9
AVG: 12
Way better? Kind of a stretch
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:18 am to SidewalkTiger
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Because most of this isn't true?
I mean fair enough, but give me a Brian Kelly win that was better than winning a playoff game (their second straight win), and on top of that, winning a playoff game against the SEC Champion (who was also starting said backup quarterback in the SEC championship game). I don't think there's a win that is even close for Kelly. So why is that not true?
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:20 am to wilceaux
quote:Haha I'm not sure I follow. Not my intention at all.
Why are you dishonestly comparing apples to oranges?
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:23 am to tiger9394
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I mean fair enough, but give me a Brian Kelly win that was better than winning a playoff game (their second straight win), and on top of that, winning a playoff game against the SEC Champion (who was also starting said backup quarterback in the SEC championship game). I don't think there's a win that is even close for Kelly. So why is that not true?
He beat #1 Clemson in 2020, with their backup quarterback. That's automatically a higher rated win.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:23 am to tiger9394
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To be fair Freeman has now won two playoff games, Kelly never won any.
To be fair, rounds 1 and 2 didn't exist until this year
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Kelly never beat a powerhouse like Georgia either.
Kelly beat #1 Clemson in 2020. Oddly enough, he played against a backup QB too in that game
he beat #6, Pac 10 champ, Rose Bowl champ Stanford in 2012
You realize his playoff losses were to the following teams:
#1 12-1 Alabama 2012
#1 undefeated Alabama 2020 (one of the best college teams of all-time)
#1 undefeated Clemson 2018 (arguably one of the best teams of the last 20 years)
Has Freeman played and beaten anyone like those three teams?
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 11:27 am
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:23 am to LikeMike02
Why, yes.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:24 am to lsufball19
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#1 undefeated Alabama 2012
This team had a loss to A&M, but that took the literal Heisman winner. Point stands though, those teams were a combined 41-1 but Kelly is a bad coach for not beating them.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 11:25 am
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:25 am to tiger9394
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Haha I'm not sure I follow. Not my intention at all.
Because winning a playoff game in a 12-team playoff is much easier than a 4-team playoff.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:25 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:Why is that a higher rated win? Compared to beating the SEC Champion in a playoff game? They proceeded to finish that season by getting blown out by Clemson and Alabama back to back. I don't follow how that's a better win at all.
He beat #1 Clemson in 2020, with their backup quarterback. That's automatically a higher rated win.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:26 am to SidewalkTiger
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Notre Dame fans have some sour grapes over BK leaving, that's just the truth.
The ND alums I know did not like Kelly while he was there. They said this for years. They were thrilled when LSU hired him. So far, they have been right on what was said - solid coach, not elite, organized, will create a solid but not spectacular program, excuse maker, not an elite motivator or gameday coach, loses big games.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:26 am to tiger9394
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Why is that a higher rated win? Compared to beating the SEC Champion in a playoff game? They proceeded to finish that season by getting blown out by Clemson and Alabama back to back. I don't follow how that's a better win at all.
Why is beating a two loss SEC champion a better win than undefeated #1?
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:27 am to LikeMike02
No it's not
Kelly did it pre nil and transfer portal peak.
That's the difference. Props to Marcus Freeman, he's doing a great job
But the situations are different.
Better question.... Would LSU look the same with Freeman here. I don't think so. BK has had a mess to clean up
Kelly did it pre nil and transfer portal peak.
That's the difference. Props to Marcus Freeman, he's doing a great job
But the situations are different.
Better question.... Would LSU look the same with Freeman here. I don't think so. BK has had a mess to clean up
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:28 am to AlGoldenDomer
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Edit: Freeman just beat the SEC champion by 13
Yep, they sure did beat the SEC champ who was playing with their 2d string QB. How would ND have done last night with their 2d string QB starting? Just asking.....that is what I thought.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:28 am to lsufball19
quote:I mean they got blown out by Clemson and Alabama that year when it mattered. I just don't see how you can say this isn't a bigger win for the program than Kelly ever had. It was a playoff win against the SEC champion. I'm confused how this is a debate.
Kelly beat #1 Clemson in 2020. Oddly enough, he played against a backup QB too in that game
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:29 am to LikeMike02
ND gets beat yesterday if Georgia has their starting QB
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:29 am to tiger9394
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Why is that a higher rated win? Compared to beating the SEC Champion in a playoff game? They proceeded to finish that season by getting blown out by Clemson and Alabama back to back. I don't follow how that's a better win at all.
The statement I replied to was "Kelly never beat a powerhouse like Georgia." Clemson in 2020 and Stanford in 2012 were powerhouse teams in those years. Last night was Freeman's first win against a powerhouse team, a powerhouse team that was without their starting QB, just like one of Kelly's wins against powerhouse teams.
Kelly got blown out by a Clemson QB who lost 2 games his entire college career, both in the national title game.
I'll ask again, has Freeman even played against a team even close to the caliber of the teams who have beaten Kelly in the CFP/BCS title game? This UGA team was not like the UGA teams of the past several years. They had already lost twice, getting their doors blown off once
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 11:33 am
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:29 am to LikeMike02
I am no fan of BK. Just to be fair, BK left Freeman a much better program than what BK got from O! But, yes, Freeman brings energy to ND and much more focused on coaching! Also, Danbrock is a significant loss for LSU.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:31 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:In my opinion it's because they got blown out by that same team later in the year, and then got blown out by Alabama in the playoff. When it mattered most this year, they won the big game. I mean would you value a regular season win against the #1 team (who you go on to lose to at the end of the year) more than a playoff win against the SEC champion? I know what I'd prefer.
Why is beating a two loss SEC champion a better win than undefeated #1?
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:31 am to bayoujd
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The ND alums I know did not like Kelly while he was there. They said this for years. They were thrilled when LSU hired him. So far, they have been right on what was said - solid coach, not elite, organized, will create a solid but not spectacular program, excuse maker, not an elite motivator or gameday coach, loses big games.
Breaking those points down one by one:
Solid coach not elite - Well yeah, there's really only one or two elite coaches in the game
Organized - Okay
Will create a solid, not spectacular program - I would argue Notre Dame and their AD had as much of a hand in this as anyone, they weren't committed financially to the program like they are now. They wouldn't have had the top paid OC under Kelly. Facilities are meh.
Excuse maker - Not sure what this is based on, everyone looks like an excuse maker when they fail, even if the excuses are valid.
Not an elite motivator or gameday coach - Again, only one or two of those in the game
Loses big games - That's a fallacy, as other posters have pointed out. No one else was beating those teams either.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 11:32 am
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