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re: Is Miles really to be blamed for the QB situation at LSU?
Posted on 1/31/16 at 2:16 pm to LSUDonMCO
Posted on 1/31/16 at 2:16 pm to LSUDonMCO
Les is to blame ultimately for the QB situation. The guy in charge is where the blame (or at least the responsibility) lies when there's a problem...ask anyone in the military.
Conversely, though, Miles is also due the credit for things going right. He is due credit for the Aranda hire, and he will also be due credit if/when Harris develops or the QB situation otherwise improves.
Neither those who defend Les no matter what, nor those who blame him no matter what, are entirely correct.
I don't understand why people here seem to either have decided that Miles is the GOAT no matter what, or that he's the worst we could have as HC.
Conversely, though, Miles is also due the credit for things going right. He is due credit for the Aranda hire, and he will also be due credit if/when Harris develops or the QB situation otherwise improves.
Neither those who defend Les no matter what, nor those who blame him no matter what, are entirely correct.
I don't understand why people here seem to either have decided that Miles is the GOAT no matter what, or that he's the worst we could have as HC.
This post was edited on 1/31/16 at 2:25 pm
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Posted on 1/31/16 at 2:18 pm to UnAnon
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9 NFl texas QB's
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Drew Brees, drafted in 2001
Josh McCown, drafted in 2002
Was Miles supposed to sign a quarterback to play for LSU before he was the HC?
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Ryan Tannehill, signed with in-state Texas A&M
Johnny Manziel, signed with in-state Texas A&M
Andy Dalton, signed with in-state TCU
To repeat what I had already stated, it's difficult to pull quarterbacks from OOS
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Andrew Luck, signed with Stanford
Matthew Stafford, signed with Georgia
Ryan Mallett, signed with Michigan
And when you can, there are other programs with just as much or more to offer than LSU
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Nick Foles
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Derek Carr
Diamond in the rough. Nobody recruited this kid, that's why he went to Fresno State.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 2:18 pm to mike4lsu
He's been running the program for 11 yrs and chose the players in question and is over their coaches who he chose. The buck stops with him. That's the part of being a CEO that normal folk just don't understand
Posted on 1/31/16 at 2:22 pm to OchoDedos
It's. Bad when we can't recruit a 3 star who lives 20 miles from the campus. But nobody believes Miles will change
Posted on 1/31/16 at 2:24 pm to Harry Caray
We really don't need "elite" and the fans really haven't demanded that. A good to very good QB would work. To do that you really need to have at least 2-3 solid QB's on your roster every single year. Of late we haven't even had one.
You would think that would trigger a recruiting blitz for several good QB's, but we clearly recruit one good one at a time. And most of the ones we recruit seem to have more of a reputation for their legs than their arms. Les Miles seems to think that "running QB" is an absolute requirement for his program, which is the most insane logic considering the talent we have at WR and RB.
You would think that would trigger a recruiting blitz for several good QB's, but we clearly recruit one good one at a time. And most of the ones we recruit seem to have more of a reputation for their legs than their arms. Les Miles seems to think that "running QB" is an absolute requirement for his program, which is the most insane logic considering the talent we have at WR and RB.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 2:26 pm to mmcgrath
Just read Scott committed thank god
Posted on 1/31/16 at 2:27 pm to chilge1
I'm not saying pulling OOS kids is easy, I'm saying that saying Texas QB situation isn't much better than ours is a little not true.
Mostly due to a lot of Texas High Schools having QB focused offenses.
Mostly due to a lot of Texas High Schools having QB focused offenses.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 2:31 pm to mike4lsu
What's even more perplexing is the lack of linebackers in this state. We NEVER have good linebacker. We get the good ones from Georgia, Texas and Alabama
Posted on 1/31/16 at 2:34 pm to mike4lsu
How about Eli and Peyton Manning? They didn't come to LSU but they were Louisiana boys.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 2:37 pm to mike4lsu
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The only Louisiana guys that we missed out on were Dak and probably Brock Berlin in 2000. Are there anyone else?
We missed out on Eli Manning and John David Booty. Manning was 2000 but still. Booty was 2003. Neither of those misses were Miles, though. And to be fair our QB play in that time frame was at least adequate, usually better.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 2:39 pm to bigwheel
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Just read Scott committed thank god
Hopefully he is truly a pass first QB like the one article said. His numbers (the ratio of pass to run) worry me.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 2:39 pm to mike4lsu
Yes he is the head coach. It falls on his shoulders. Just because louisiana doesn't produce great qbs doesn't mean we shouldn't land a capable qb. Lsu recruits nation wide. And they still can't get a qb to lead the team.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 2:39 pm to UnAnon
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Mostly due to a lot of Texas High Schools having QB focused offenses.
It has nothing to do with the offense. Texas is one of the most densely-populated states in the country and therefore has the one of the deepest talent levels in the country, at quarterback or any position.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 2:48 pm to chilge1
Just about every viable HS program in TX has gone Pistol, or a derivative of the Pistol. That type of QB is not the Miles type...if there is a Miles type.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 3:16 pm to mike4lsu
Lots of SEC teams are able to recruit out of state QBs. No excuse that the state isn't a QB factory. Kids go where they can be developed and succeed.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 3:19 pm to mike4lsu
Look if it was one or two years yes I'd say bad luck. But yes, Miles is too blame for the QB position at LSU. Ever since Jimbo Fisher left we have had QB problems. Running a bland and predictable offense will hurt QB recruiting. The only year we've had good QB play was with 2 NFL starters at WR and an NFL starter at RB. If Miles can't find a good QB in Louisiana, find one out of state.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 3:51 pm to dgnx6
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The last qb to be drafted from LA was Stefan Lefors. Dak will change that. But this whole you can win on LA talent alone is made up bullshite, and that any coach can win here is made up bullshite.
Who is really saying that though? What we do know is that Louisiana produces tons of DBs and WRs and RBs and DL They are now producing dual threats at a yearly rate. They have no other competition in state and they are right next door to Texas.
A guy with Texas ties can come in and grab a recruiter with Louisiana ties and pretty much get everything they need. Pipelines to other states can be established in time.
I'm not saying any coach can come in and win here, but there are many that could. LSU has about the best recruiting situation in the country. Dinardo, Saban, and then Miles have built LSU into a recruiting machine.
The two major problems that has alluded us since Jimbo left, is the evaluation, development, and management of QBs, and the offensive philosophy . I don't understand why we still run a pro style offense yet can't recruit and develop a QB for it. Bite the bullet and go spread. You can still keep your power run identity too, but make it easier on the QB. The majority of them run spread passing offenses in Texas and option offenses in Louisiana yet we run this offense that goes against what our recruiting grounds naturally produce.
We are fighting against the current.
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Who cares if they go to the NFL or not? We want production at LSU. There have been a gang of successful college QBs who did absolutely nothing in the NFL. Even consistently mediocre would be better than we have been.
60% cmp, 200 yards per game, 7.5 ypa, 1.5 TDs and 0.75 ints per game, is mediocre and I'd take that with our usual run game and defense every year.
This post was edited on 1/31/16 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 1/31/16 at 3:58 pm to Datbayoubengal
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I don't understand why we still run a pro style offense yet can't recruit and develop a QB for it.
Can't isn't the right word. Jarrett Lee in 2011, Zach Mettenberger in 2013, Brandon Harris to a degree in 2015, and presumably Brandon Harris in 2016 have been able to handle the offense and operate in an efficient manner.
Recruiting and/or retention of quarterbacks have been an issue. Starting with Ryan Perrilloux getting the boot, Jerrard Randall, Hayden Rettig, and Stephen Rivers transferring for an opportunity to start, and of course Gunner Kiel spurning us at the 11th hour with a 280 lb "quarterback" as the contingency. These are what has held the position and this program back.
I like what Cameron is doing on the recruiting front. Swing for the fences with guys like Brandon Harris, Shea Patterson, Feleipe Franks, and Dwayne Haskins, and if you can't pull this in, get an unheralded guy with untapped potential like Justin McMillan and Lindsay Scott.
Time will tell.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 4:03 pm to Datbayoubengal
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60% cmp, 200 yards per game, 7.5 ypa, 1.5 TDs and 0.75 ints per game
The bolded sections Harris accomplished this year. Brandon needs to spend the offseason working on his accuracy, which in turn will allow the coaches to trust him to throw more often..... having our 'usual defense' next year will also be a help, because I don't know if you can call what we've seen the last three years a typical LSU defense.
This post was edited on 1/31/16 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 1/31/16 at 4:22 pm to mike4lsu
Yes, he is.
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