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re: Is LSU ready to be a playoff contender yet?
Posted on 1/18/19 at 6:12 pm to tigerboy77
Posted on 1/18/19 at 6:12 pm to tigerboy77
Fewer question marks than this year and more experience returning. Looks like at least 4 or 5 instant impact guys coming in from this recruiting class as well.
10-2 should be considered the floor next season.
10-2 should be considered the floor next season.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 6:14 pm to tigerboy77
If we dont win the west next year, i dont think O ever will. Our schedule sets up for 1 loss.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 6:16 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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If we dont win the west next year, i dont think O ever will.
Dumb. So, so dumb.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 6:21 pm to tigerboy77
I'm not ready to crown them a contender just yet.
While I believe Burrow is plenty good enough and will have playmakers all around him, I need to see that the offensive line can keep him clean and the rest of the offense can handle the playbook. With another year of experience and conditioning, I think this is a real good possibility.
Defensively, I also think we're plenty good enough if the defensive line can prove that they can win for 4 quarters. With more depth and experience, I also think this is a real good possibility.
Way too early to say they're contenders, though.
While I believe Burrow is plenty good enough and will have playmakers all around him, I need to see that the offensive line can keep him clean and the rest of the offense can handle the playbook. With another year of experience and conditioning, I think this is a real good possibility.
Defensively, I also think we're plenty good enough if the defensive line can prove that they can win for 4 quarters. With more depth and experience, I also think this is a real good possibility.
Way too early to say they're contenders, though.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 6:23 pm to BarleyPop
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Dumb. So, so dumb.
Only if you havent looked at our schedule, returning players, and incoming talent.
Only someone ignorant to lsu football would say this isnt put up or shut year for O and this staff.
This is stupid...
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Negas need the 10 wins, NY6 bowl win over 25-0 team, top 5 recruiting class, top 10 ranking, players returning, and an a predicted CFP run.
Yes LSU fans need this top 10 talented team to be held to the standard that we held the last regime to.
We had a decent year. Just decent.
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 1/18/19 at 6:25 pm to tigerboy77
A team that hasn't won its division in 8 years can't possibly declare it's ready to be a playoff contender in the offseason. First reply was right, end of November question.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 6:29 pm to calcotron
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team that hasn't won its division in 8 years can't possibly declare it's ready to be a playoff contender in the offseason. First reply was right, end of November question.
Lsu has all the talent needed to win the division. This team isnt any less talented than auburn and they dont seem to have a problem winning the west on a semi regular basis.
Hell our 2018 nfl draft class was almost as big as auburn's 2017 and 2018 class combined.... they won the west and we lost to troy.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 6:51 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Only someone ignorant to lsu football would say this isnt put up or shut year for O and this staff.
Me. I'm saying it. And I'm not ignorant to LSU football. Orgeron isnt going anywhere or receiving any admonishment whatsoever from his superiors if he doesn't win the SEC West this year.
Anyone who insists that "next year be the year or else" is just a stupid message board poster. Orgeron hasn't been here for 100 years like Miles had and the program isnt currently falling apart by anyone's stretch of the imagination.
Admitting that you need the finished result to be satisfied, and will be unhappy until then, is your admission of continual misery. I see that we are trending up strong and am currently happy about it. I'll celebrate with your painfully shortsighted self and those like you AFTER the big wins.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 7:01 pm to tigerboy77
Can’t beat Saban can’t beat Mullen can’t beat Jimbo.... no playoffs next season.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 7:40 pm to Nobelium
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The offense has to take a huge step forward imo. LSU averages 15 points a game against SEC defenses in the top 20 (S&P+) under Ensminger
And this is why I still don’t think we will be a playoff contender next year.
SE just doesn’t have it.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:52 am to BarleyPop
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Me. I'm saying it. And I'm not ignorant to LSU football. Orgeron isnt going anywhere or receiving any admonishment whatsoever from his superiors if he doesn't win the SEC West this yea
He should.
He was hired to immediately contend for titles.
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nyone who insists that "next year be the year or else" is just a stupid message board poster
He will never have an easier road( pre season wise) than next year.
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Orgeron hasn't been here for 100 years like Miles had and the program isnt currently falling apart by anyone's stretch of the imagination.
Wow.
Thats the barometer for keeping a coach?
He hasnt let the program fall apart?
Its amazing how quick we went from," the head coach is the only thing holding lsu back from winning titles" to " hey at least O hasnt turned our program into a dumpster fire".
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Admitting that you need the finished result to be satisfied, and will be unhappy until then, is your admission of continual misery
No its not. Its expecting one of the most talented rosters in cfb actually winning the west on a semi regular basis.
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see that we are trending up strong and am currently happy about it. I'll
Finished lower in the west and sec title hunt.
Had an offense that was less productive than all but 1 of Miles' offenses.
We played 4 p5 programs with less than 5 losses and went 1-3.
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'll celebrate with your painfully shortsighted self and those like you AFTER the big wins
And here it is.....
That train is never late.
Questioning the staff must mean you dont enjoy the wins.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 1:15 am to Rickdaddy4188
Ad hominem + fantasy the usual propaganda argument. He can’t refute your position so he sprinkles his false claims about “trending upwards” with personal attacks and insults. If the facts were on his side he’d just state them and be done with it but they’re not so he must muddy the waters.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 7:52 am to BarleyPop
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List ALL years in which Ensminger was OC at LSU running his own plays
2018.
Now the false assumption in your comment is that a good offensive coordinator can't take someone else's play book and by adding some wrinkles improve the results or by better timing of the play calling or better preparation by knowing what plays to use against what defense.
Just because the playbook wasn't his in 2016 doesn't mean a good coordinator couldn't have done better with those plays. We all know that LSU under Les Miles were running a lot more plays in practice than they were ever using in the game. This is why the offense seemed to open up a little or look different when Ensminger took over in 2016. One could make the argument that he actually did better as interim OC with Cam Cameron's playbook in 2016 than he has since installing his own system in 2018.
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So that we will know how much data you've used to make your decision that he obviously sucks.
It's not a decision it's an opinion and it's one that many, many LSU fans share as well as pretty much all the football experts in the media. They all ask the same question. "When is LSU going to find an offense to match their defense? When is LSU going to live up to their offensive potential?"
Sorry to break your heart but it looks like it's just not going to happen with Ensminger. Granted, I'm sure they'll be better than they were this year just because of their experience but they'll still be in the bottom half of college football's offenses. He's not some creative offensive genius. He was Les Miles' tight end coach who didn't even want the job and hasn't coordinated an offense since Bill Clinton was President. Ed Orgeron promise to go out and find the best offensive coordinator to fix LSU's problems on offense. You're telling me that the best offensive coordinator available just happen to already be sitting in the coaching staff room at LSU? Coaching the tight ends? C'mon, man!
In 8 quarters of football he still has 0 points scored against Alabama. You think that's going to suddenly and drastically change enough that not only do you score but you score enough to beat them and compete for a spot in the CFP? Where you'll likely have to beat Alabama again?
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During that ONE SEASON (spoiler sorry) what would you rate the personnel he was in charge of? You know...sophomore line, freshmen receivers, transfer QB got here yesterday, RB...Brossette
Really!? THIS tired arse narrative...I mean, excuse again?
1. Over the prior 4 years LSU's average recruiting class ranked #7.25 And by the way, the only reason it didn't average a #3.66 ranking is because ya boy Ed Orgeron's first big recruiting class as permanent head coach he hauled in a #15 recruiting class. The last time LSU had a class rated that low? 2002.
2. Who has more players in the NFL than any other university? That's right, it's LSU.
3. Did you make these same excuses for Les Miles and all his offensive coordinators? Because the results were the exactly the same(except 2013).
4. How do all these other teams with 2 and 3-star players on the offense manage to get so much production out of them? Schools like Texas Tech, Houston and Washington State? Oh that's right. They have smart, dynamic, creative offensive coordinators that know how to get the best out of the talent that they have.
5. I'm going to go ahead and head-off your offensive line excuse that I know is coming. The Clemson team that just beat the living shite out of Alabama did it with an offensive line that had almost the same number of recruiting rankings stars and experience as LSU's offensive line did this year. Oh, and by the way, they also did it with a freshman quarterback who had like 6 games under his belt.
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Do tell us, in all your infinite wisdom, why Steve Ensminger, who has been the OC of his own LSU offense for one season with a group I'd rate at 6.5, is never going to amount to shite.
I just did.
Your turn.
You know what? Nvm. I'm sorry I asked you people to come defend yourself. It's obviously you're outmatched because you're either a grown man with a double-digit IQ or naive rube with a double-digit age.
This post was edited on 1/19/19 at 7:55 am
Posted on 1/19/19 at 8:46 am to tigerboy77
Even with the woes, a couple of bounces here or there and we would have had a playoff resume in 2018.
I mean, we beat aTm 3 or 4 times - but the refs just weren't having it. A single play could have changed Florida's outcome easily, as well.
Now, no amount of "what ifs" can change Bama for us, but we might have eeked in even if that loss was sitting there.
I mean, we beat aTm 3 or 4 times - but the refs just weren't having it. A single play could have changed Florida's outcome easily, as well.
Now, no amount of "what ifs" can change Bama for us, but we might have eeked in even if that loss was sitting there.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 9:00 am to nola000
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We have seen nothing to say otherwise and the stats back this up.
I want my future down voters of this post to come out and actually make some commentary and try to back up their position with substance
You don't have enough of a example to come to your little conclusion. Have a downvote.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 9:01 am to tigerboy77
Sure. The underwater basket weaving team from LSU will reach their peak in 2019. A definite playoff contender and will outclass the rest of the SEC as well.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 9:33 am to nola000
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Just because the playbook wasn't his in 2016
You could've stopped your drivel right here.
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