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re: Is it arrogance or confidence that Coach Orgeron possesses
Posted on 7/23/17 at 3:09 am to Tiger Ree
Posted on 7/23/17 at 3:09 am to Tiger Ree
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Even the ones who got their asses kicked by the 55 year old career dline coach with his TE's coach running the offense? That would be pretty stupid, wouldn't it?
no it wouldn't. winning single games doesnt mean the winning coach is a better coach.
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Posted on 7/23/17 at 3:15 am to Rickdaddy4188
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winning single games doesnt mean the winning coach is a better coach.
I don't think anyone said otherwise. Let's just get to football season and enjoy.
This post was edited on 7/23/17 at 3:29 am
Posted on 7/23/17 at 3:38 am to la_birdman
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don't think anyone said otherwise. Let's just get to football season and enjoy.
k
Posted on 7/23/17 at 3:41 am to TrueTigerTale
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Which one conned people into thinking he could coach, which one couldn't communicate and was too arrogant to leave the X's and O's up to his top two coordinators and just be the CEO and recruit?
Coach A
one of the most accomplished tenures in sec history,let alone lsu history
Coach B
has never run a successful offense,defense or program
This post was edited on 7/23/17 at 3:43 am
Posted on 7/23/17 at 4:03 am to Dubaitiger
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HOWEVER, he showed up LM and Cam last year after taking over the program and showed those 2 goofy bastards how to put up points on the board, and how to mix up that cloud of dust offense with a real passing game.
2016 Passing yards and offense per game(ed Orgeron coached games only)
211.25 passing yards per game
24 pass attempts per game
20.8 1st downs per game
2015 LSU PASSING AND OFFENSE
187.06 passing yards per game
23 pass attempts per game
20.5 1st downs per game
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He needs to run the program not be the best X and O ma
no good coach in cfb is a hands off coach.
quote:then why even have a head coach?
If he delegates authority to quality coaches then LSU will be fine
Posted on 7/23/17 at 4:08 am to RedTigerRulz
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I know Rick and a few others would have been whipping off at the prospect but a change....ANY CHANGE...needed to be made.
miles needed to go period. that doesn't mean you then go and make one of the most unqualified hires in big 6 history.
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Don't blame O for taking a job nobody else apparently wanted or was lobbying for.
we don't know who was interested because our clown ad refused to do his job when the 1st to obvious choices said no.
and if you can't get a successful head coach to take the job, you then start making offers to successful coordinator.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 4:16 am to la_birdman
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Kiffin was booted out and O took over at USC and they improved, quickly. I think he deserves credit for that. (even though I hate USC)
Miles was fired and he took over at LSU and they improved, quickly. See where I'm going with this?
he struggled against the good teams he faced not properties.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 4:24 am to Space Cowboy
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Moreover, why wasn't Coach O awful at USC and at LSU during his two interim head coaching stints? Do you think he was just lucky or something
holy shite the irony. you repeatedly claim miles lucked into one of the most accomplished tenures in sec history that spanned over a decade.
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Nonetheless, Einstein, who would you have brought in to be our new head coach?
Anyone that has proven proven they can run a successful offense.
Anyone that has proven they can run a successful defense.
anyone
Anyone that has proven they can run a successful program.
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why would he have been a far better hire than an awful (according to you) Coach O,
because they have proven they can run a successful side of the ball or a successful program.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 4:33 am to RedTigerRulz
quote:youre griping about unfair treatment of a lsu coach that has accomplished nothing and you openly and repeatedly wante to for a coach that had just won the sec title and lost in the NCG. you opemly wanted to fire a coach that finished in the top 5 5 out of the 8 previous years.
preach
Posted on 7/23/17 at 4:34 am to Rickdaddy4188
Rick just likes to argue.
USC improved after O took over. That's a fact.
Same thing here, I feel like I posted this already.
Does that make him the next Saban? No. It doesn't.
I'm talking about what is here, right now. Not what Miles did. Moving forward.
USC improved after O took over. That's a fact.
Same thing here, I feel like I posted this already.
Does that make him the next Saban? No. It doesn't.
I'm talking about what is here, right now. Not what Miles did. Moving forward.
This post was edited on 7/23/17 at 4:43 am
Posted on 7/23/17 at 5:43 am to TrueTigerTale
You are just used to hearing muddled jobberish from Miles. My cocker spaniel is more clear than miles ever was.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 6:39 am to TrueTigerTale
Late to this thread but read early and later posts. Not reading 8 pages of the stellar football minds bashing CEO.
Anyway, I don't sense arrogance in O. Actually , what does he have to be arrogant about? He's working hard to get the Tigers back to prominence this season. He has as good a coaching staff as any HC in the country could desire.
He knows there is a huge spotlight in his eyes and realizes by now what a neurotic fan base exists at LSU.
I sense a calm, competent CONFIDENT man at the top.
He knows expectations are high. What he may not know is some will never be happy with him because they will refuse to admit they were wrong.
Again, I believe CEO possesses confidence that things are going to be a hell of a lot better at LSU.
Anyway, I don't sense arrogance in O. Actually , what does he have to be arrogant about? He's working hard to get the Tigers back to prominence this season. He has as good a coaching staff as any HC in the country could desire.
He knows there is a huge spotlight in his eyes and realizes by now what a neurotic fan base exists at LSU.
I sense a calm, competent CONFIDENT man at the top.
He knows expectations are high. What he may not know is some will never be happy with him because they will refuse to admit they were wrong.
Again, I believe CEO possesses confidence that things are going to be a hell of a lot better at LSU.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 7:08 am to LSUCouyon
Confidence for me. He's made great hires, inherited one of the most talented teams in the country, has one of to best programs to sell to recruits, and has experienced falling flat on his face. He knows that he has to win now and has put together a perfect recipe to do it. I can't wait for the arse hurt blow hards to eat their words when we see coach take us back to the promise land.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 7:32 am to JJBTiger2012
Amen!
Posted on 7/23/17 at 7:35 am to TrueTigerTale
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Calculate arrogance of a con man.
Let me start by saying I don't think this is true of O any more than it is of every other coach out there.
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Are you confusing Miles and Orgeron? Which one conned people into thinking he could coach, which one couldn't communicate and was too arrogant to leave the X's and O's up to his top two coordinators and just be the CEO and recruit?
If I have to pick one. I'd say the con man is the one whose only experience as a head coach was as the worst coach in an SEC teams history managing to get hired by LSU.
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which one couldn't communicate
Both guys have quirky styles of engaging the media, I personally had no trouble understanding either and honestly like both.
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and was too arrogant to leave the X's and O's up to his top two coordinators
I believe that was part of what Orgeron said was his mistake at Ole Miss. Despite what people say, the offenses under various OC's under Miles had a fairly wide variance in degrees of success, run/pass ratios, etc.
I recall no one complaining that Miles interfered with the defense at LSU, is this more revisionist crap to try to bad mouth the former coach?
Posted on 7/23/17 at 8:50 am to Rickdaddy4188
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we don't know who was interested because our clown ad refused to do his job
I agree Rick but that still doesnt make CEO wrong for taking the job.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 8:50 am to mdomingue
Back to the original OP, I think it's pretty easy to see that O is promoting the program. The PR he is getting goes a long way in the recruiting process. That being said, it's also a double edged sword. If the appearances are seen as mocking of O's cajun accent and culture it will backfire. The question is will recruits and parents see him as human and a coach that will take care of their son as a person and player or if he's seen as a clown.
The other caveat is LSU as a marketable program will get the nod when it comes to bowl selection and even as a tie breaker in when ranking programs. Saban lobbied his way into the NC game in 2011. If you think the pollsters, selection committees and networks don't place a huge importance on entertainment value, you are mistaken.
It's smart if done correctly, but the ultimate goal is to put a good product on the field and send players to the NFL. We shall see, but I think we have a great staff as a whole and I'm optimistic that they will work together to make the program a success.
The other caveat is LSU as a marketable program will get the nod when it comes to bowl selection and even as a tie breaker in when ranking programs. Saban lobbied his way into the NC game in 2011. If you think the pollsters, selection committees and networks don't place a huge importance on entertainment value, you are mistaken.
It's smart if done correctly, but the ultimate goal is to put a good product on the field and send players to the NFL. We shall see, but I think we have a great staff as a whole and I'm optimistic that they will work together to make the program a success.
This post was edited on 7/23/17 at 9:00 am
Posted on 7/23/17 at 8:54 am to Rickdaddy4188
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you opemly wanted to fire a coach that finished in the top 5 5 out of the 8 previous years.
Yes I did....a coach that was clearly declining....a coach that was producing a brand of football that was boring and predictable...a coach that had lost his nerve....a coach that was leading us to mediocre bowl games....and a coach that had become Saban's biotch....AND SO DID YOU!!!
Posted on 7/23/17 at 9:04 am to mdomingue
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I recall no one complaining that Miles interfered with the defense at LSU, is this more revisionist crap to try to bad mouth the former coach
Oh you haven't heard? Miles hired a staff just to keep them locked up in the dungeon below Tiger Stadium. He kept them in line with dogs and making them put lotion in the basket.
I mean frick this thread is a dumpster fire of idiocy. O is a great coach despite his 10-50 record cause he's at LSU now
:redass:
Posted on 7/23/17 at 9:08 am to RedTigerRulz
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that still doesnt make CEO wrong for taking the job.
Wtf? Who's criticizing Orgeron for taking the job? No need to make stuff up
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