re: Is Coach O going to "Make LSU Football Great Again!"?

quote:

---

I didn't follow him closely at Ole Miss

---

so other than his record you really have no clue and no reason to bash his tenure there?

quote:

---

I think he had the same opportunities for success at Ole Miss as his predecessors and successors.

---

Ole Miss has been up and down for 50 years

quote:

---

He must go before another important hire has to be made

---

I hope so also

quote:

---

so other than his record you really have no clue and no reason to bash his tenure there?

---

You act like his record was nothing to sneeze at.

quote:

---

so other than his record you really have no clue and no reason to bash his tenure there?

---

The record is usually fairly important, is it not? What can you tell me about his tenure there that excuses his record? Was it something you knew prior to September 26th? I'm being honest about how much I know of his time in Oxford, most of this board can't say the same.

quote:

---

Ole Miss has been up and down for 50 years

---

And yet he is the only Ole Miss coach in the last 30 years to never have a winning season, excluding Joe Lee Dunn who only coached one year as an interim.

quote:

---

I hope so also

---

quote:

---

He was downright AWFUL for 3 seasons and then Houston Nutt came in and won 9 games immediately after him.

---

This kind of leads me to believe he did a great job recruiting talent to Ole Miss, no small feat, and Nutt benefited greatly from it, because as we also saw with Nutt, once that talent dried up he had similar results that Orgeron did. If you'll notice Nutt stepped right in and won 18 games his first 2 years and 6 games total the following 2. Hugh Freeze seems to be following a similar arc, though he built up his own roster. He had some impressive results (through cheating, maybe, maybe not), but now that the elite talent has moved on, he's been on a downward spiral, winning 5 games with a preseason top 15 team. Now he's staring at possibly an even worse season next year losing Kelly. I think people are underestimating how much more difficult it is to attain success at Ole Miss.

I think what Orgeron has shown now in terms of maturity is that he can take talent and win with that talent. He's done it in an interim role twice now at big time programs. I think the biggest unknown for him is that no one knows how much he's learned how to manage a program. I think he's off to a great start with the moves he's made, but only time will tell.

You make many great points in this thread btw. I admire you in a completely appropriate way.

I think Orgeron wants to know what's going on, but understands now that there's no value in micromanaging. I read that somewhere and it hit me. That's a great insight for him to have. It's ok for him to be involved, but know when to let your coaches do their thing and when to just be a leader. Just bc he's the head coach doesn't mean he has to be an expert about every position on the field. He needs a strong staff like any other coach.

Another thing that hasn't been discussed much here, but it caught my eye, was that a Orgeron sought Arandas opinion on offensive coordinators. That's huge. To be able to say hey Dave, you're as good as there is on defensive, what guy out there would you see as a huge challenge. Pretty good move by Ed to seek that feedback
And in my opinion, showed a lot of personal growth as a head coach

quote:

---

I think the biggest unknown for him is that no one knows how much he's learned how to manage a program.

---

If we only had someone who is paid a lot of money to research these types of things for multiple candidates and then make an informed decision.

But we're just LSU and can't do any better, so we're back to the 90's way of doing things by paying less and hoping for the best.

quote:

---

If we only had someone who is paid a lot of money to research these types of things for multiple candidates and then make an informed decision.

But we're just LSU and can't do any better, so we're back to the 90's way of doing things by paying less and hoping for the best.

---

of the coaches available, none of them have the track record of knowing how to manage a P5 program as big as LSU. Orgeron has been around Miami, USC, Tennessee, and LSU. I think he's probably every bit as aware of what goes into the job as PJ Fleck or someone similar does.

Care to provide a list?

lsu2006, Dabo Swinney says hello. I agree that O's worth will be determined on the field, and on NSD.