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re: Interesting take from Gary Danielson on how to stop Bama
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:13 pm to TigerFan55555
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:13 pm to TigerFan55555
That's a good game plan if we can still put them in 3rd and 5 or more.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:15 pm to TheCaterpillar
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B. The OL is unreal. Any QB with 5 seconds every snap will find open receivers.
Well when the officials have back room deals done to simply not call holding on Alabama, that helps their already talented OL, making it near impossible to defend.
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:16 pm to BugAC
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I'm more comfortable with us making tua throw than forcing them to run.
absolutely not. Our DBs are top shelf but at the end of the day a QB and WR have the advantage since they know the play. The only way it works if we allow Tua to throw is if we get pressure on Tua, which we haven't done too well all year.
Killing clock when we have the ball and forcing Bama to run is the only way we stay in this game. If we allow them to throw the ball eventually Tua will get a big play or a few in.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:17 pm to MrXYZ
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Tempo getting to line of scrimmage to prevent substitutions. You can still run down the play clock.
good point
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:23 pm to BugAC
Really? J'Mar Smith passed for 300 on "the best backfield in the nation". Scary to think what Tua will do . Geaux Tigers.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:24 pm to TchPowDog
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Lol uh, no, he doesn't.
Bama has very fast WRs (but not unlike teams we've faced) and they've played a pool of the shittiest DBs (including A&M) in the country... That's how their WRs get open.
ETA: Also, Tua doesn't "throw dimes". His receivers are open enough to adjust to the ball while it's in the air. The thing Tua is good at is not over-throwing receivers, and I think that's because he doesn't have a strong arm, he puts everything he has into those throws, he doesn't have to place the throw, which is harder to do. I think he has enough time in the pocket to let the WR get to his throwing limit and he chunks it. He under-throws A LOT, you just can't tell because the receivers have enough room to adjust.
I'm honestly not near as impressed with Tua as I am their entire offense. I do not think Tua deserves any mention of the heisman.
I don't post here a lot. And I'm not here to tell everyone this or that about Tua. But this is honestly one of the worst takes I've ever read on literally anything. And I've seen tweets from honest to goodness flat earthers.
There are reasonable criticisms of Alabama thus far. Suggesting Alabama's defensive opposition this year is weak is an entirely reasonable (and correct) observation. The fact that Tua hasn't played in a truly hostile environment is another absolutely good take that could impact his performance vs LSU.
But to suggest Tua doesn't throw WRs open and doesn't hit them in stride is the exact opposite of reality. I've been watching college football for 30 years, I've never seen a QB as good as Tua is at anticipation and hitting WRs in stride.
He has some negatives that teams haven't been able to expose yet but they're there - especially waiting too long for the hero shot. It'll bite him eventually. But he is literally the best QB at throwing open in CFB.
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This is one of the best examples. Look at where Ruggs is in his break compared to when the ball is released:
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Watch the WR's feet in relation to ball delivery, he never slows down and is actually able to slightly accelerate through the catch
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This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:27 pm to TchPowDog
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Nice arguments.
What do you disagree with?
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Lol uh, no, he doesn't.
Yes, he does. There are several throws where baits the safety with his eyes then throws to a spot and his receiver runs under the ball because Tua threw it a spot that they should be running too. Look at the first play vs Missouri.
quote:My 2nd reason was speed but there are a ton of throws where there's a DB on the hip and Tua puts a dime out there.
Bama has very fast WRs (but not unlike teams we've faced) and they've played a pool of the shittiest DBs (including A&M) in the country... That's how their WRs get open.
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ETA: Also, Tua doesn't "throw dimes". His receivers are open enough to adjust to the ball while it's in the air. The thing Tua is good at is not over-throwing receivers, and I think that's because he doesn't have a strong arm, he puts everything he has into those throws, he doesn't have to place the throw, which is harder to do. I think he has enough time in the pocket to let the WR get to his throwing limit and he chunks it. He under-throws A LOT, you just can't tell because the receivers have enough room to adjust.
All of this is absolutely retarded. Tua has an extremely strong arm. He throws multiple dimes a game and he never under throws like you said. Have you actually watched any of their games at all?
quote:Just moronic. I mean absolutely retarded. Why wasn't this offense scoring 50 a game last year with the exact same offense but no Tua?
I'm honestly not near as impressed with Tua as I am their entire offense. I do not think Tua deserves any mention of the heisman.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:30 pm to bamagrad03
Appreciate your feedback but dude was downvoted to oblivion. We all know Tua throws receivers open and certainly throws dimes.
Here's what I am wondering....we have used Delpit all year long in the "quarter" position, essentially putting him in the box to rush the passer, or not. But he is uilized in the blitz game a ton.
I wonder if this is something we will see this game because there are 2 ways to look at this:
1- you have to disrupt Tua, and Delpit has arguably been our best pass rusher this year (didn't look at stats, just know he's in the backfield wreaking havoc a lot)
2- on the same note, Tua is so good, that you really may need a guy like Delpit in coverage
as we've done all year, I just suspect this will be mixed up throughout the game. But on a play where Delpit gets picked up on a blitz, and he's not in coverage....shite.
I figure we will send Stevens when we go to that "peso" 3 safety look, and mix up who we send at Tua.
It's gonna be a chess match, no doubt.
Here's what I am wondering....we have used Delpit all year long in the "quarter" position, essentially putting him in the box to rush the passer, or not. But he is uilized in the blitz game a ton.
I wonder if this is something we will see this game because there are 2 ways to look at this:
1- you have to disrupt Tua, and Delpit has arguably been our best pass rusher this year (didn't look at stats, just know he's in the backfield wreaking havoc a lot)
2- on the same note, Tua is so good, that you really may need a guy like Delpit in coverage
as we've done all year, I just suspect this will be mixed up throughout the game. But on a play where Delpit gets picked up on a blitz, and he's not in coverage....shite.
I figure we will send Stevens when we go to that "peso" 3 safety look, and mix up who we send at Tua.
It's gonna be a chess match, no doubt.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:36 pm to cas4t
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Appreciate your feedback but dude was downvoted to oblivion. We all know Tua throws receivers open and certainly throws dimes.
Yes, I didn't notice the DVs
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you have to disrupt Tua, and Delpit has arguably been our best pass rusher this year (didn't look at stats, just know he's in the backfield wreaking havoc a lot)
I do think you have to blitz Tua. Tennessee tried the opposite approach dropping 7 and 8. And it absolutely did not work. As I mentioned earlier, the one potential weakness of Tua is his desire to hit the hero play, which takes time.
Combine that with the fact that he hasn't been under a lot of pressure this year, I think it's the approach you take.
But I'm not sure it's safety blitzes, because it's a huge risk. Single safety against a 3 wide + pass catching TE is a massive risk. I think you send LBs more, it also pulls double duty of helping slow the run game.
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as we've done all year, I just suspect this will be mixed up throughout the game. But on a play where Delpit gets picked up on a blitz, and he's not in coverage....shite.
Exactly. That's why I think sending LBs is better.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:38 pm to bamagrad03
cas4t
Another thing that Aranda does that Tua hasn't seen at all this year is dropping DEs in coverage. I think he'll throw that at Tua a good bit until Tua proves he can beat it.
I honestly can't think of a single team that dropped DEs this year against Alabama - and not because they couldn't but rather because it's not part of their scheme.
Another thing that Aranda does that Tua hasn't seen at all this year is dropping DEs in coverage. I think he'll throw that at Tua a good bit until Tua proves he can beat it.
I honestly can't think of a single team that dropped DEs this year against Alabama - and not because they couldn't but rather because it's not part of their scheme.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:41 pm to bamagrad03
LSU has went 3 safety look all year, putting 1 in the box and 2 back. It worked really well vs Miami. Keep in mind Stevens is built like an OLB and Delpit is 200+ lbs as well so that has been helpful in this scheme.
I don't see our LBs getting to Tua like we need to until White is back. Not that we shouldn't blitz them, we will and should. But a lot of our most explosive defensive plays this year have come when we put a big safety in the box in that "quarter" look I mentioned and send them.
I don't see our LBs getting to Tua like we need to until White is back. Not that we shouldn't blitz them, we will and should. But a lot of our most explosive defensive plays this year have come when we put a big safety in the box in that "quarter" look I mentioned and send them.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:43 pm to TigerFan55555
i have been saying this. we need long clock eating drives that end with TD's. Keep bama offense off the field. limit big plays. make them throw underneath and drive whole field for scores. hopefully FG's. defend EZ. make bamas O eat up clock on their scores also. this shortens the game drastically in our favor and gives us a shot at the end. the more times bama has the ball the worse it will be for us. we cannot stop them over and over and over. make every possession prime. the question is can our offense eat clock with controlled passes and runs and then get TD's?
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:43 pm to bamagrad03
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Another thing that Aranda does that Tua hasn't seen at all this year is dropping DEs in coverage. I think he'll throw that at Tua a good bit until Tua proves he can beat it.
that should help with the quick routes. Although you guys love running those wheel and deep corner routes.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:44 pm to TigerFan55555
And study Chief’s 2011 D, it was built to stop the HUNH / Spread / etc.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:45 pm to Fat Bastard
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i have been saying this. we need long clock eating drives that end with TD's. Keep bama offense off the field. limit big plays. make them throw underneath and drive whole field for scores. hopefully FG's. defend EZ. make bamas O eat up clock on their scores also. this shortens the game drastically in our favor and gives us a shot at the end. the more times bama has the ball the worse it will be for us. we cannot stop them over and over and over. make every possession prime. the question is can our offense eat clock with controlled passes and runs and then get TD's?
LSU has done well in the TO category too and that will be crucial. Bama defense will come out with something to prove since everyone is saying they aren't what they have been. They are still a top 20 fricking defense too.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:45 pm to BugAC
2016 UGA had some pretty good DBs that Tua faced in the CFPCG
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:49 pm to sta4ever
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really hope we get pressure on him early on
I don’t think Aranda will go blitz crazy. I feel he will do much like against UGA and just press his DL and have the DBs and LBs blanketing the field
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:50 pm to mtheob17
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allowing TEs to make big plays
I think Coach E can have his TEs and FBs/RBs open all day and can move the ball this way opening up the game to run and hit the WRs
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:52 pm to TigerFan55555
No offense, but I’m tired of over analyzing this game. I can’t wait for these teams to go to war. Saturday night is going to be fun
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:53 pm to cas4t
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that should help with the quick routes. Although you guys love running those wheel and deep corner routes.
Another thing that's kind of been touched on here but not a lot, LSU has physical corners that can knock WRs off their routes. I think that's crucial and could be another key factor given how Tua operates on timing
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 1:54 pm
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