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re: In defense of Tommy Casanova

Posted on 2/2/09 at 9:31 pm to
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 2/2/09 at 9:31 pm to
IMO, just because he isn't black people don't think he could play DB.
Posted by bg22
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Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 2/2/09 at 9:32 pm to
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If you're comparing Tommy Casanova to Demetrius Hookfin, then you're a moron. If not, I apologize.


That is exactly what just happened. Stupid rantarded bastard that he is
This post was edited on 2/2/09 at 9:34 pm
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 9:35 pm to
Yeah, I think some of these guys aren't falling into Ivan Drago type hysteria about the supposed superiority of the modern athlete. Take Casanova and the current LSU receiving corp at birth, then raise them to be football players, and it's ludicrous to think that Casanova couldn't cover them.

Just look at the demographics and numbers, and you should see the story. The U.S. population might have been about 40% bigger in 1990 than in 1950, but the relative popularity of football from the 60's and the 00's is probably roughly comparable. Even if you assume the NFL is calling 5 times as many top-notch athletes now as it used to back then, I still don't see how you get to the point of an NFL All-Pro DB not being able to cover LSU's current receivers. That's just absurd.
Posted by MondayMorningMarch
Pumping Sunshine. She's cute!
Member since Dec 2006
18731 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 9:52 pm to
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Yeah, too many bong hits for you, Rougaroo. I would compare him to Hookfin in the modern era.


Nice troll! I think Johnny Musso could answer the question as to if TC could've played in this or any other era.
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
35711 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 9:55 pm to
TC could probably tackle also. Something 90% of modern day defensive backs lack the ability to do.
Posted by LSUtigahs28
Member since Sep 2008
14561 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 10:02 pm to
quote:


Yeah, I think some of these guys aren't falling into Ivan Drago type hysteria about the supposed superiority of the modern athlete.


Not really 40 times continue to get better and better same for other speed/agility drills.

Part of it is training, but people are also getting taller(and taller people make more money)

IF you took a top NFL athlete today and put him into the 1980's NFL in his prime he would absolutely break the league.

Going back to the 70's would be even worse. Casanova under today's training regemine wouldn't be bad, but he would be second team all SEC.
Posted by Rougarou4lsu
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2003
3100 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 10:06 pm to
WRONG BIG CAT. Crag Burns ran back 2 punts.
Casanova ran back only 1 that night, right?
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
30232 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 10:10 pm to
Are you kidding me......in this day and age the NFL is a league of pussies. You take TO, Plexi-glass, Ocho Cinco, or any other receiver in the league today back to the 70s or 80s and they would get crushed cause they wouldn't be protected by the refs the way that players are now. This is probably even more true for qb's.
Posted by MondayMorningMarch
Pumping Sunshine. She's cute!
Member since Dec 2006
18731 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 10:20 pm to
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WRONG BIG CAT. Crag Burns ran back 2 punts.
Casanova ran back only 1 that night, right?


That is correct, BC.
This post was edited on 2/3/09 at 12:24 pm
Posted by Ellashuer
gonzales, LA
Member since Dec 2008
174 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 10:25 pm to
Now all these cats play for is $$$ back in the gap they played for the love of the game.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 10:32 pm to
quote:

Part of it is training, but people are also getting taller


That still sort of flies in the face of the "from birth" argument.

quote:

Casanova under today's training regemine wouldn't be bad, but he would be second team all SEC.


2nd-Team SEC is getting pretty damn specific for such a vague hypothetical.

But even 2nd-Team SEC guys can cover LSU receivers reasonably well ... otherwise they shouldn't be 2nd-Team SEC. I mean, people don't ordinarily say that Javier Arenas and Derek Pegues "couldn't cover" LSU's receivers, even if they did get beaten on some plays.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 10:33 pm to
quote:

Are you kidding me......in this day and age the NFL is a league of pussies. You take TO, Plexi-glass, Ocho Cinco, or any other receiver in the league today back to the 70s or 80s and they would get crushed cause they wouldn't be protected by the refs the way that players are now. This is probably even more true for qb's.


If this is the type of argument that you are trying to combat, then you have my sympathies.
Posted by Rougarou4lsu
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2003
3100 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 10:47 pm to
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part of it is training, but people are also getting taller
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Casanova was 6'2 Laron is 6/O
and both weighed the same. There goes your taller arguement, tigahs28. Dude, its only
40 years...no evolution of the species at work here.
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3071 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 10:50 pm to
This is ridiculous. Casanova was 6-2 210 lbs and amazingly fast. How many safeties in the NFL are taller than him? Do u not think Bob Hayes was fast enough to play in todays NFL? How about Paul Warfield? Lynn Swann, John Stallworth? Cliff Branch? Casanova played against all these guys. It is not even debatable Casanova was an athlete who could play in any era up to now and be a star.

This thread should be ended it is not worth debating any more. It is like debating the earth revolves around the sun. It does end of story!

Durand40
Posted by LSU77
Uptown New Orleans
Member since Dec 2006
3370 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 10:55 pm to
quote:

but put down the bong and step away


You are a COMPLETE IDIOT and have NO IDEA what the frick you are talking about. Did you ever see him play ?
Posted by CaLSUTigerFan
California Bay Area
Member since Sep 2008
1241 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 11:17 pm to
I was a co-ed from 1966-1970 and had
the pleasure of watching Tommy Casanova
play. Not only was he an amazing athlete,
he was drop dead gorgeous.

Carry on.
Posted by Tigergreg
Metairie
Member since Feb 2005
24442 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 11:34 pm to
The best cover corner of his time in the country. No QB wanted to throw his way. One of the top 5 players to ever wear a Tiger uniform. He's still living in Crowley. I think he's semi-retired from his medical practice.
Posted by tigerinridgeland
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2006
7700 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 11:50 pm to
quote:

Going back to the 70's would be even worse. Casanova under today's training regemine wouldn't be bad, but he would be second team all SEC.


:lol: :lol:

Ok, now let's get serious. It's amazing that some folks actually think this way: Athletes who played in the 60 and 70s or even 80s can't possibly be as good as those today. Sorry, but that is pure bunk. Cassanova's size is, as has been pointed out, on par with today's players. So that argument is out of the window. I think it is pretty obvious that with today's training, he would be among the best today.

Think of it in terms of horse racing. How many "Secretariats" have there been since Secretariat? How long ago was that? Do you think Secretariat couldn't compete in today's racing?
Posted by MontanaTiger
Montana
Member since Oct 2008
3935 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 11:53 pm to
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The best cover corner of his time in the country.


Wasn't he a safety? He might not have been fast enough to play corner, but he was plenty fast enough for safety, he was a savage hitter, and he had great ball skills. He could play safety in any league, then or now.

And he has the best name ever for an athlete.
Posted by Labruzzo22
Member since Jul 2005
16 posts
Posted on 2/3/09 at 12:05 am to
Casanova ran back one for 61 yards and one for 74 yards on that night (December 5, 1970). Beat Ole Miss 61-17. Archie was wearing a cast on his left arm. Burns only had one.
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