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re: I'm waiting for just me's analysis of Jefferson's efficacy as a QB
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:51 pm to Ice Cold
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:51 pm to Ice Cold
quote:Okay.
A spreadsheet analyzing Jefferson's efficacy as a QB. Numbers are what we crave.
quote:No. You talked about field position:
Did I say anything about the punt team? LSU's offense did not keep Bama on the field, and did not create any pressure on its defense. Four three-and-outs and a punt is not the way to keep your offense on the field.
quote:See that. It's right there in black and white, all bolded and italicized. You can't miss it unless you try.
Yes Bama mixed things up on first down but when you're playing in your own territory all night because the offense generates no field position, you will wear down.
quote:I wouldn't want you to waste your God-given talent.quote:Actually, I don't have to try very hard at all.
You can be a real a-hole when you put your mind to it.
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Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:55 pm to Ice Cold
For a passing game with Jefferson at QB, the threat of running has to be established. We never established the threat of a running game, much less any other semblance of offense.
Jefferson's passing yards usually come on first down, when the threat of run is most likely.
Jefferson has consistently been a bad runner, but he is mobile. He runs indecisively, and doesn't make good reads.
We didn't have a plan B for this game. Our gameplan appeared non-existant, and I can't even venture a guess as to what in the hell we tried to establish.
Saban historically handcuffed his QB's in BCSNCG's, as to not allow them to beat his defense. I expected much of the same. Instead, they come out throwing on 16 of 18 first downs in the first half. WOW.
McCarron showed more as a sophomore than Jefferson as a senior. Jefferson can't dream of making the kind of throws McCarron made in this game.
I'm with Miles on the Lee saga. I've thought Mettenberger should have been the passing game option from the beginning, and under no circumstance, did I want to see Lee in versus Alabama.
The question now is can Miles or anyone on this staff coordinate a passing game for Mettenberger? I still want to see a change of pace QB, however. I thought having 2 QB's with significant playing time was a great idea going into the last Alabama game, and thought this game would be no different. But, we never saw Miles pull the trigger.
As a matter of fact, he put away his gun, and took off his holster.
Jefferson's passing yards usually come on first down, when the threat of run is most likely.
Jefferson has consistently been a bad runner, but he is mobile. He runs indecisively, and doesn't make good reads.
We didn't have a plan B for this game. Our gameplan appeared non-existant, and I can't even venture a guess as to what in the hell we tried to establish.
Saban historically handcuffed his QB's in BCSNCG's, as to not allow them to beat his defense. I expected much of the same. Instead, they come out throwing on 16 of 18 first downs in the first half. WOW.
McCarron showed more as a sophomore than Jefferson as a senior. Jefferson can't dream of making the kind of throws McCarron made in this game.
I'm with Miles on the Lee saga. I've thought Mettenberger should have been the passing game option from the beginning, and under no circumstance, did I want to see Lee in versus Alabama.
The question now is can Miles or anyone on this staff coordinate a passing game for Mettenberger? I still want to see a change of pace QB, however. I thought having 2 QB's with significant playing time was a great idea going into the last Alabama game, and thought this game would be no different. But, we never saw Miles pull the trigger.
As a matter of fact, he put away his gun, and took off his holster.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:58 pm to just me
Rohan Davey FTMFW 
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:00 pm to wahoocs
quote:
For a running game with Jefferson at QB, the threat of passing has to be established. We never established the threat of a passing game, much less any other semblance of offense.
Fixed it.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:03 pm to wahoocs
quote:The Pros, Oklahoma, Alabama, USC, Stanford, and many other championship caliber teams have won without a mobile Qb. The threat and execution of a passing game is sufficient to keep a defense honest.
I still want to see a change of pace QB,
Can a dual threat QB really strain a defense?
Yes, but it's got to be an elite Qb that can actually throw the ball: Young, Tebow, Cam.
Examples of deficient running qbs: JJ, EJ Manuel, everyone from GTech, Denard Robinson, Martinez.
If the guy can't throw, then he's just a glorified wildcat.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:04 pm to Festus
Bama played with no fear of a downfield passing threat
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:06 pm to just me
quote:I didn't miss it; you did. I said the "offense generates no field position." LSU was not able to move the ball on offense, possess the ball for more than than few minutes a quarter, or put any pressure on the Bama defense. Having a good punter is nice, though.
See that. It's right there in black and white, all bolded and italicized. You can't miss it unless you try.
quote:Don't you worry yourself about that.
I wouldn't want you to waste your God-given talent.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:11 pm to Mahootney
I don't disagree with you, but I would prefer a QB with Mauck and Flynn-like mobility. Hell, even JR post-Tennessee first half in '06 would be fine.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:14 pm to TheDoc
quote:
Bama played with no fear of a downfield passing threat
With JJ behind center, why would anyone fear any type of passing threat whatsoever? He's incapable of consistently making an accurate pass 5 yards downfield.
The reason why Lee was so effective this year was the fact that defenses had to respect his ability to pass. When JJ began to be worked back into the line up, each game, the offense progressed game by game back to where it was was in 2010, culminating in the BCS abortion.
How people refuse to acknowledge that with Lee starting this year, we were a completely dominating football team against phenomenal competition is beyone me. Les Miles gambled by shatting on Lee to appease JJ and family. In doing so, he pissed away the greatest season in LSU history.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:17 pm to just me
quote:
A spreadsheet analyzing Jefferson's efficacy as a QB
quote:
Okay.
quote:
career
You're pathetic.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:17 pm to Festus
You didn't fix anything.
You're talking philosophical debate there.
We had 150 yards rushing in the first game, when did we establish the pass?
Alabama passed on us, when did that open up the run? When our defense was on the field for 3 quarters? Even with McCarron hitting pin point passes with great one on one coverage, Alabama's run game was stuffed. Richardson was a non-factor in the game. His garbage run made his stat line look good. Our defense was gassed at that point.
You're talking philosophical debate there.
We had 150 yards rushing in the first game, when did we establish the pass?
Alabama passed on us, when did that open up the run? When our defense was on the field for 3 quarters? Even with McCarron hitting pin point passes with great one on one coverage, Alabama's run game was stuffed. Richardson was a non-factor in the game. His garbage run made his stat line look good. Our defense was gassed at that point.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:23 pm to AlxTgr
quote:Perhaps you didn't read my post where I asked for requests:
You're pathetic.
quote:Perhaps you didn't read the reply:
What, exactly, would you like to see?
quote:What exactly were you looking for -- the stat line from the game? Everyone already knows it.
A spreadsheet analyzing Jefferson's efficacy as a QB. Numbers are what we crave.
So, if you have something to contribute, please do so.
Otherwise . . .
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:24 pm to Mahootney
quote:
JJ, EJ Manuel, everyone from GTech, Denard Robinson, Martinez
One of these does not belong if your goal is to list QB's that are good runners. If it is to lists QB's that are mediocre passers, then carry on.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:25 pm to just me
Did you get your souvenir cup?
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:31 pm to just me
I'd love to see that chart with added stats for fumbles and sacks
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:31 pm to Bwana Whiskey
quote:
Did you get your souvenir cup?
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:33 pm to josh336
quote:
I'd love to see that chart with added stats for fumbles and sacks
Data that does not support a preconceived conclusion will be summarily dismissed, ignored, debunked, or deemed irrelevant.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:37 pm to wahoocs
It's simple. Defense will prepare and play for the strength of the Offense. LSU's is primarily a run offense, offset by the pass. A defense prepares to come in to stop the run against LSU. They must establish the threat of the pass to make the defense honest, and open up the run game.
Oppositely, a team that is pass oriented wants to establish some type of run game, in order to open up their strength, the passing game.
Talk to coaches. Fans always go to "you have to run to establish the passing game". It's simply not true across the board, and coaches will tell you that. It depends on what your strength is, and you must do the opposite to open it up, as defenses are going to come in prepared to stop your strength.
Oppositely, a team that is pass oriented wants to establish some type of run game, in order to open up their strength, the passing game.
Talk to coaches. Fans always go to "you have to run to establish the passing game". It's simply not true across the board, and coaches will tell you that. It depends on what your strength is, and you must do the opposite to open it up, as defenses are going to come in prepared to stop your strength.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:39 pm to just me
quote:Pretty sure people want to see your beautiful presentation of it. All the other stuff is available too.
What exactly were you looking for -- the stat line from the game? Everyone already knows it.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:42 pm to Commando
quote:Intent, but I kinda like the: "One of these is not like the other".
If it is to lists QB's that are mediocre passers, then carry on.
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