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re: I'm officially convinced, we need a new OC

Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:28 pm to
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:28 pm to
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I just don't think it'll ever change no matter who the OC is.


Maybe you're right. I think you find the right guy to resist Miles hand just enough and with a little success you may have Miles loosen his grip. Just a thought.
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
15750 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:28 pm to
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Yes, loaded.


I hope you are 100% correct. We shall see.
Posted by sicboy
Because Awesome
Member since Nov 2010
79618 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:28 pm to
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We just need a more diverse offense. We have the players to do it. We run the same 11 pays. It seems every running play is right up the middle.


Exactly. It's gotten to the point that everyone on the planet knows what play we are going to run. I think that we have the players to be formidable, and I know that execution has been garbage at times, but when the defense puts 8 or 9 in the box and we still run it, it just tells me that we can be too stubborn for our own good. How many times have we screamed "do some PA here" on a second and short, but no, we run it up the middle, and yes, pick up the first down, but don't take advantage of opportunities.
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:28 pm to
Miles has a death grip on the offense since 2008 happened
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
84495 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:30 pm to
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Great contribution.



Your post isn't the best publication either. You say we need a new OC. Okay, is that it? What cannot be changed from now until next season that can make the offense better? If a new OC is necessary, who do you suggest?

Posted by rosiebean
Member since Nov 2007
2093 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:30 pm to
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what do you think would change with a new OC? We'd still have Les with his hands all over the offense...


I know. I mean, if Les would just get his fricking hands off the offense, Mett could break passing records and shite.



Actually, I'm all for a different OC than Stud. But the "our O sucks because it's Les's style of O" is kinda simplistic and overlooks things like lack of talent (from 2008-2011) at QB, an O-line that was held together with bandaids in 2010 and much of this year, 3) a key injury in our running back corps, and 4) a total lack this year of prototype tall/fast/strong WR to help Mett get his groove in the passing game.

But facts are for nerds, right? Let's just ignore the good things we accomplished this year (like how the O *improved* as they season went on instead of regressing like the D did). Who cares about the actual facts on the ground? That's just crazy talk, lol.
This post was edited on 11/24/12 at 9:40 pm
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58554 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:30 pm to
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yeah yeah get the sarcastic stuff out to warm your belly.

im just sick of all your and everyone else's bitching and moaning.
Posted by Duzz
Houston
Member since Feb 2008
10219 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:31 pm to
Let's hire that guy from LA Tech.
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:31 pm to
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Your post isn't the best publication either. You say we need a new OC. Okay, is that it? What cannot be changed from now until next season that can make the offense better? If a new OC is necessary, who do you suggest?



Sorry I don't think an emoticon response is a great contribution. And it wasn't even directed at you so why do you care?

Monken would have my support if it were possible.
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:32 pm to
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im just sick of all your and everyone else's bitching and moaning.


Don't lump me in with everyone else. Go find specific posts where I'm this huge negative complaining fan and come back to me. But you can't, so frick off.
Posted by Tigercat
Tacoma, WA
Member since Feb 2004
4519 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:35 pm to
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There is a reason the offenses have looked the same under Fisher, Crowton, and Studthorpe


All of you that think this, and I know there are plenty of you, know nothing about football. Nothing.

From Fisher to Crowton to Krags/Stud, the differences are quite noticeable.

The formations (pro style, spread variety, power/pro style mix) are different

The emphasis on the types of passing plays are different(pro style passing, stretch the field horizontally, stretch the field vertically)

The emphasis on the type of running plays are different. (Pro style, option/pro style, power)
Posted by Elleshoe
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Member since Jun 2004
143780 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:36 pm to
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I know. I mean, if Les would just get his fricking hands off the offense, Mett could break passing records and shite.



you think our offense is good? Consistently ranked 50 or lower? Get a clue my man.
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:37 pm to
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All of you that think this, and I know there are plenty of you, know nothing about football. Nothing.

From Fisher to Crowton to Krags/Stud, the differences are quite noticeable.

The formations (pro style, spread variety, power/pro style mix) are different

The emphasis on the types of passing plays are different(pro style passing, stretch the field horizontally, stretch the field vertically)

The emphasis on the type of running plays are different. (Pro style, option/pro style, power)


I agree with this. Still think we need a change however.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:37 pm to
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And it wasn't even directed at you so why do you care?



Because your thread is about as naked as a hippy at Burning Man.

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Monken would have my support if it were possible.



Monken has been an OC for a single year. Mike Gundy was OC of Okie State for four years before taking the Head Coaching job. Are you going to attribute their success on offense to one guy? Come on, sir. I'm sure Monken is a great fit, but they had an offensive system before Monken got there, and it was Gundy.
Posted by sicboy
Because Awesome
Member since Nov 2010
79618 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:39 pm to
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I agree with this. Still think we need a change however.



Whoever is in charge, something needs to change.
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:39 pm to
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Monken has been an OC for a single year. Mike Gundy was OC of Okie State for four years before taking the Head Coaching job. Are you going to attribute their success on offense to one guy? Come on, sir. I'm sure Monken is a great fit, but they had an offensive system before Monken got there, and it was Gundy.


It doesn't just have to do with his first year at Ok St. Do you not believe he would be an improvement from a philosophical standpoint from Stud?
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27836 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:45 pm to
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From Fisher to Crowton to Krags/Stud, the differences are quite noticeable.
+1

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All of you that think this, and I know there are plenty of you, know nothing about football. Nothing.

I think people just forgot. Hell, we opened games up in 5-wide constantly while Crowton was here.

Loved when he would put Trindon to far sideline out-wide. JJ couldn't hit LaFell, Tolliver or Randle but he is going to be able to throw down-field to a 5'5 guy?
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
84495 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:46 pm to
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Do you not believe he would be an improvement from a philosophical standpoint from Stud?



Whose philosophy do you think is controlling on this team? If Les wanted a spread offense, don't you think he would get one?
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:47 pm to
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Whose philosophy do you think is controlling on this team? If Les wanted a spread offense, don't you think he would get one?


I don't think Monken is a guy that has to run the spread offense and I don't want that.
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
27309 posts
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:49 pm to
aTm hired the former QB at Tech Texas and their offense is sick. Let's make him an offer.
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