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re: I'm getting behind O
Posted on 7/27/18 at 10:53 am to rbdallas
Posted on 7/27/18 at 10:53 am to rbdallas
quote:
if you want the coach to fail,
then you are also wanting LSU to fail
See what I mean?
rbdallas has had this explained to him more times than I care to recount...and yet, here he is repeating it.
And he's right...IF you state that you want him to fail you can't also hope LSU wins. The problem is, virtually no one has ever said that. It's a straw man argument used to ignore their actual point.
People are skeptical of Orgeron's abilities yet want LSU to win...thereby he can be seen as a success. even us mean old Anti-Orgeron posters. the fact that we do not think it will turn out that way is not an admission that we're hoping he fails.
This isn't very hard, so to continue to repeat this reeks of being intellectually dishonest at this point.
ETA: My point is...if this is your belief than say the words...I and others like me are simply lying. We're lying when we answer this question. Feel free to take that stand and own that opinion. But why continue to shrug and pretend that there is some large set of posters that are here daily openly stating they want Orgeron and the team to fail, and gosh darnit...you just don't understand why they'd be like that?? Anyone that's here daily can see for themselves that it's not true, and if it was I'm sure it would be super easy to quote them, right?
This post was edited on 7/27/18 at 11:02 am
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Posted on 7/27/18 at 10:58 am to rbdallas
quote:
you have the right to not like the hire, but it is time to realize that it is too late do do a damn thing about it.
With respect, that's incorrect. I'm keeping pressure on the AD as far as I'm concerned. While I'll be perfectly happy to accept success (as good as or better than the coach we fired can be the only litmus test, otherwise what was the point) and will be happy to admit I was wrong in my predictions about his time here...that does not mean I ought to sit back and be positive about his presence until he does that.
He has every chance to prove me and others wrong an can actually EARN that respect so many of you gave away to him simply because he stretched on a P&G Coaches Polo. But...for me and others, it will actually have to be earned.
Posted on 7/27/18 at 10:58 am to rbdallas
quote:
if you want the coach to fail,
then you are also wanting LSU to fail
...can not have it both ways.... not logical.
i never use all caps, keep that in mind, but im actually yelling this at my screen, just for context.
99% OF "O HATERS" DO NOT WANT O TO FAIL, GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL
good lord ya'll are dense
Posted on 7/27/18 at 10:59 am to GeauxTigerTM
Some people would rather have a talking point and it's easier for them to just accuse people of wanting him to lose than it is to actually discuss the topic with any rationality like a normal adult would any other issue.
Posted on 7/27/18 at 11:08 am to TigerLunatik
quote:
Some people would rather have a talking point and it's easier for them to just accuse people of wanting him to lose than it is to actually discuss the topic with any rationality like a normal adult would any other issue.
I mean, yeah...that's obviously true. My problem is I'm not a dishonest douche I guess.
I really don't need to straw man a person's point of view to challenge their take on something. And if I do that, and am shown that I did, I'll readily admit I did it by mistake and apologize for misrepresenting their opinion. Because if I have to do that on purpose, it means I don;t think I'm right or that I can't play fairly and win the argument without logically cheating.
If there was some group running around here openly hoping for LSU to lose games this year, we'd all know it. There is not. There are a LOT of us who are skeptical of Orgeron and are in various stages of wait and see. Many to most of us think the Orgeron Experiment will ultimately fail...but almost to a poster ALL OF US hope that it does not.
But what I hope will happen has no bearing on what, if you put a gun to my head, I'd have to honestly say I think will happen to the LSU program. And that's the point.
Posted on 7/27/18 at 11:12 am to GeauxTigerTM
We are in complete agreement.
If what I hoped would happen had any impact on what will happen on situations I have no control over, I would be fricking Meaghan Markle right now instead of typing this. I've been having positive thoughts about that for years and it hasn't happened yet.
quote:
But what I hope will happen has no bearing on what, if you put a gun to my head, I'd have to honestly say I think will happen to the LSU program.
If what I hoped would happen had any impact on what will happen on situations I have no control over, I would be fricking Meaghan Markle right now instead of typing this. I've been having positive thoughts about that for years and it hasn't happened yet.
Posted on 7/27/18 at 11:15 am to Laman1978
I’m all for coach O, I hope he wins BIG at LSU. I’m behind LSU in every sport. However, I don’t expect O to win big, and I hope Alleva burns in hell!!
It’s not O’s fault that idiot Alleva hired an inexperienced head coach at a top program.
It’s not O’s fault that idiot Alleva hired an inexperienced head coach at a top program.
This post was edited on 7/27/18 at 11:17 am
Posted on 7/27/18 at 11:22 am to epicopt116
quote:I agree. O should've never been hired, but I'm starting to buy into what he's doing. I think he may very well end up being successful. I'm definitely coming around.
It’s not O’s fault that idiot Alleva hired an inexperienced head coach at a top program.
With that said, Alleva should be fired regardless. Best case scenario is O miraculously becomes the next Saban and Alleva is fired anyway. It was a very lazy hire, any which way you look at it.
This post was edited on 7/27/18 at 11:23 am
Posted on 7/27/18 at 11:32 am to Laman1978
Also, looks like people fail to see that Miles was slowly killing this program, and his loss to a team like Troy was coming IMO. Coach O is having to rebuild this team. Just look at the dline depth chart.
Also, I respect O for recognizing that you need a QB to win a championship, we didn’t have one, and according to the football world, he went out and got one. Question is now, can O and Steve coach em.....
Absolutely no excuse for miles to not have better QB play during his time here.
Also, I respect O for recognizing that you need a QB to win a championship, we didn’t have one, and according to the football world, he went out and got one. Question is now, can O and Steve coach em.....
Absolutely no excuse for miles to not have better QB play during his time here.
This post was edited on 7/27/18 at 11:34 am
Posted on 7/27/18 at 11:42 am to Laman1978
The optimism is always high before the season begins. Then it turns into the following,
#WeAreYoung
#PlayTheBackupQB
#BamaCheats
#RefsHateLSU
#NextYearU
#ScheduleWasHard
#NeedsTimeInstallOffense
#9WinsWasGoodForThisTeam
#WeComin’
#FireO
#FireJoe
#WeAreYoung
#PlayTheBackupQB
#BamaCheats
#RefsHateLSU
#NextYearU
#ScheduleWasHard
#NeedsTimeInstallOffense
#9WinsWasGoodForThisTeam
#WeComin’
#FireO
#FireJoe
Posted on 7/27/18 at 11:45 am to YouAre8Up
quote:
Message I'm getting behind O by YouAre8Up The optimism is always high before the season begins. Then it turns into the following,
You are right and those things will probably happen, but for me, the final 2 or 3 yrs of Miles I was not even close excited for LSU football like in the past. Miles was losing games, and the fan base. So I’m willing to give O the chance, even though he was a bone head hire by the idiots running the show
The way I see it, if you are from LA and have state pride how could you cheer against coach O? I guess to many people wanna day I told you so. Alleva needs to be fired regardless of what happens in the next 2 football seasons.
This post was edited on 7/27/18 at 11:51 am
Posted on 7/27/18 at 11:49 am to epicopt116
Been watching this same movie for 10 years now.
Posted on 7/27/18 at 12:00 pm to epicopt116
quote:
Also, looks like people fail to see that Miles was slowly killing this program, and his loss to a team like Troy was coming IMO. Coach O is having to rebuild this team. Just look at the dline depth chart.
Also, I respect O for recognizing that you need a QB to win a championship, we didn’t have one, and according to the football world, he went out and got one. Question is now, can O and Steve coach em.....
Absolutely no excuse for miles to not have better QB play during his time here.
Completely false....i mean like for realz false.
Les' gameplan and program building was predicated upon play with as little risk as possible. Safe recruiting, safe gameplanning, etc.
Stagnation is the word, but he would've never lost to seriously lesser teams like Troy, because the game plan would always allow the talent to pull through.
The problem with les was, he stopped beating teams with similar or more talent, because, once again, the game plan was too safe and not built to take chances. Like it or not, thats why he never had a losing record and has such a high winning percentage.
This is exactly what O did in 2016 to get the job. Beat who you should (except UF) and play not to get blown out against Bama. Sadly it worked.
Posted on 7/27/18 at 12:04 pm to epicopt116
quote:
The way I see it, if you are from LA and have state pride how could you cheer against coach O?
O disliked and used negative recruiting against LSU up until 2015. Made sure Joe McKnight went to USC instead of LSU, among other issues at Tenn.
He doesnt give a shite about LSU, and you shouldnt care that he's from LA. Using that to get the job in the first place was dangerous.
Posted on 7/27/18 at 12:05 pm to Laman1978
quote:
I'm starting to buy into what he's doing.
Again, what is he doing? Like I've said before, all of his substantive "accomplishments" are intangibles. They're the equivalent of "I promise to be good this time".
It's fine to say you're going to have optimism before the start of the season, but I just don't get the "he's doing great things" line.
Posted on 7/27/18 at 12:22 pm to Mo Jeaux
Whether the positives show up as WINS ... no one yet knows.... but it is certainly encouraging.
It is better to have positives and the probability of positive results than have nothing positive and the guarantee of failure.
These positiveness can only bet he result of effort and work....probably of many in the coaching staff.
Let's geaux, it will be time to kick Miami's arse in less than a month.
It is better to have positives and the probability of positive results than have nothing positive and the guarantee of failure.
These positiveness can only bet he result of effort and work....probably of many in the coaching staff.
Let's geaux, it will be time to kick Miami's arse in less than a month.
Posted on 7/27/18 at 12:23 pm to Laman1978
I posted this thread anticipating more downvotes than upvotes. I'm surprised. It appears more people are starting to come around than I originally thought.
Posted on 7/27/18 at 12:29 pm to Laman1978
I wonder why, because nothing has changed. We haven’t even started practice. O still lost to Troy, blown out by State, again to Bama and the bowl game, and the spring game looked like crap.
If you weren’t behind O a month ago, why now? What has he proven in the last 30 days?
Maybe people are just exhausted by the truth and it’s time to hope. Desperation is kicking in.
Everyone has always been behind LSU, so that’s not a question.
If you weren’t behind O a month ago, why now? What has he proven in the last 30 days?
Maybe people are just exhausted by the truth and it’s time to hope. Desperation is kicking in.
Everyone has always been behind LSU, so that’s not a question.
Posted on 7/27/18 at 12:29 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
rbdallas has had this explained to him more times than I care to recount...and yet, here he is repeating it. And he's right...IF you state that you want him to fail you can't also hope LSU wins. The problem is, virtually no one has ever said that. It's a straw man argument used to ignore their actual point.
as you say VIRTUALLY NO ONE...
a) you have obviously not been paying attention
b) virtually no one implies that are some that do.
if you fit in that category...it's your choice.
if you do not, do not act like that such position does not exist.
Posted on 7/27/18 at 12:35 pm to SportTiger1
quote:
O disliked and used negative recruiting against LSU up until 2015. Made sure Joe McKnight went to USC instead of LSU, among other issues at Tenn.
as every other coach would have done trying to recruit a player....it's the job
all coaches are loyal to who is signing the check, whether they are at their ideal school or not.
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