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re: If you don’t think the scheduling is biased, check out next years

Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:09 pm to
Posted by OppositeMan
Member since Apr 2018
1853 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:09 pm to
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lsufball19


You're crossing over into disingenuous territory, man.

I'll try to again to end this argument for us...I can't imagine this won't work, but you may surprise me.

Here are LSU and bama uncommon opponents in 2018 and 2019:

2018...

LSU
Miami
SE LA
LA Tech
Florida
Georgia
Rice

BAMA
Louisville
Arkansas State
Cajuns
Missouri
Tennessee
Citadel


2019...

LSU
Ga Southern
Texas
NW State
Vandy
Utah State
Florida

BAMA
Duke
New Mexico State
South Carolina
Southern Miss
Tennessee
Western Carolina


If you have any dignity at all, you'll just admit now that Bama's 2018 and 2019 schedules, minus LSU and vice versa, are MUCH easier than LSU's.

Can't believe I even typed this all out for you...you messing with me or what?
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
68602 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:21 pm to
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If you have any dignity at all, you'll just admit now that Bama's 2018 and 2019 schedules, minus LSU and vice versa, are MUCH easier than LSU's.

MUCH easier? Meh. Easier, sure. But this whole thread is about an inherent bias, not whether teams play varying SOS year-to-year. What about Alabama's schedule leads one to say there is a bias on way or the other. Florida and Tennessee sucked 2 years ago when we played them. Does that mean there was a bias in favor of us? With a rotating schedule, the SEC cannot predict how good or bad teams are going to be when the games fall. As for OOC scheduling, when the Louisville game was scheduled (years ago) for Alabama, that was viewed as a strong OOC game. Same with FSU when they were preseason top 3 and ended up sucking. Likewise, when LSU scheduled Miami, they were a strong team, not the 7-6 team they turned out to be. ANd BYU wasn't a 4-8 team when LSU scheduled them. You can't just look at schedules on a year-to-year basis and determine because team A and team B weren't good when the game was played (not scheduled but played) that there is an inherent bias with scheduling.

These permanent cross-division games have been in place since 1992. The teams that suck now haven't always sucked and the teams that are good now haven't always been good. Even if the SEC did away with permanent cross-division games, there will be years where the chips fall just right and give one team an easier schedule than another. That, however, does not mean that there is a bias, which is the entire premise of this thread.

Like I said earlier, we have fans that think if Alabama doesn't only play hard games that there is some conspiracy in the SEC office. Alabama has shown over the years that they are more than willing to schedule games with big P5 programs. Do they every single year? No, but neither does LSU.

I don't recall the sky screaming from our fans when Tennessee was beating Alabama every year that scheduling wasn't fair. They beat Alabama 10 of 12 games from 1995-2006. Sometimes you can't look at every situation in a vacuum, although that falls on deaf ears 90% of the time on here. People just feel better about LSU being behind Alabama by creating ridiculous conspiracies and discounting the very obvious answer that Alabama is, quite simply, just better than we are right now.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 3:24 pm
Posted by OppositeMan
Member since Apr 2018
1853 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:23 pm to
Final downvote...no point in doing this with you anymore, man...you're not being honest.

Sometimes you just need to admit when you're wrong. Hopefully you'll learn this one day.

Geaux Tigers
Posted by GeorgeWest
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2013
14092 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:24 pm to
Geeze! Stop with this crap. When the SEC built those bridge schedules, there was a valid point to be made about LSU's vs Alabama's schedules.

NOW, we are on a rotating schedule that is not unfair in that it is what the vast majority of SEC schools want. It is just a fluke that Tennessee football has fallen and cannot get up and that UF Football has flourished this century. Until that changes, Bama has a built-in advantage over LSU in SEC scheduling.

When the decision was made to make UF LSU's perm and UTenn bama's perm, UTenn's program was far superior to UF's and had been for 75 years. I understand that has changed in the 21st century, but it is schools like Ole Miss, State, UK, Vandy, Carolina, A&M, Mizzou, and Arkansas that like the schedules this way, i.e. with crossdivision perms. It's not because of Bama, Tenn, and UGA that that won't change.
Posted by Philippines4LSU
Member since May 2018
8789 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:26 pm to
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why?

The permanent opponents were originally paired in an egalitarian manner. The strongest program playing the conference's weakest program every year is the opposite of the original intent.

IMO this is the main reason they're so opposed to ending permanent opponents.
Posted by OppositeMan
Member since Apr 2018
1853 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:27 pm to
Neither of you will be honest? Really?

Look again...swallow your pride...


2018...

LSU
Miami
SE LA
LA Tech
Florida
Georgia
Rice

BAMA
Louisville
Arkansas State
Cajuns
Missouri
Tennessee
Citadel


2019...

LSU
Ga Southern
Texas
NW State
Vandy
Utah State
Florida

BAMA
Duke
New Mexico State
South Carolina
Southern Miss
Tennessee
Western Carolina
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 2:28 pm
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33833 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

If you have any dignity at all, you'll just admit now that Bama's 2018 and 2019 schedules, minus LSU and vice versa, are MUCH easier than LSU's.



It takes two to tango brother.

Bama can't make teams play them. No one's lining up to play them because they don't want an automatic L unless they're getting a huge paycheck.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

you're not being honest.


What part of what he said was not honest?

quote:

Sometimes you just need to admit when you're wrong


Except what he said is actually correct regarding scheduling. Did you actually read what he said?
Posted by jpk4lsu
Member since Sep 2012
541 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:34 pm to
You people that don’t think there’s a Gump bias really really have y’all’s head up your asses!!
Posted by TheTexasTiger7
Dallas - Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2018
9387 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:34 pm to
I’m not bitching about it. Just saying Tennessee sucks balls now, and we clearly played the best 2 teams from the East in the same year. Meanwhile Alabama is out here playing Missouri, and Tennessee.
Posted by OppositeMan
Member since Apr 2018
1853 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:37 pm to
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It takes two to tango brother.

Bama can't make teams play them. No one's lining up to play them because they don't want an automatic L unless they're getting a huge paycheck.


Hey, all I'm saying is that bama plays a far easier schedule than us in both 2018 and 2019. I'm not even getting into reasoning in this thread...can't get past the initial argument when multiple people are claiming that it doesn't show what it clearly does.

Anyone want to tell me, flat out, that bama didn't play an easier schedule in 2018 and that they're not lined up to play an easier schedule in 2019?
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33833 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:42 pm to
Maybe they do. I just don't know why it matters.

It doesn't change what we have to do.
Posted by OppositeMan
Member since Apr 2018
1853 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:45 pm to
quote:

Maybe they do. I just don't know why it matters.

It doesn't change what we have to do.


They obviously do. I've been having trouble getting a couple people here to admit that plain as day fact...and it's aggravating seeing these baws be so dishonest.

I won't explain why it matters...this should be plain as day obvious, too. Really, man?

I would say all of this tells us that we probably need to reevaluate our scheduling strategy.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:46 pm to
quote:

Anyone want to tell me, flat out, that bama didn't play an easier schedule in 2018


Well their s.o.s. was higher than ours if you include the SECCG. Excluding that LSU was #1 and Bama was #5. Not really much of a difference there, but sure if you would like to make a point about a single season in a vacuum I guess we had a slightly tougher regular season schedule. What point does this prove in your mind?

Posted by OppositeMan
Member since Apr 2018
1853 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:52 pm to
quote:

Well their s.o.s. was higher than ours if you include the SECCG. Excluding that LSU was #1 and Bama was #5. Not really much of a difference there, but sure if you would like to make a point about a single season in a vacuum I guess we had a slightly tougher regular season schedule. What point does this prove in your mind?


Holy frick...you want to expand the argument past the regular season now? You'd rather move the goalpost than just admit that what I stated is correct?

This is why people complain about the rant.

And our non-common opponent schedule in 2018 was significantly more difficult than bama's...not slightly...significantly. Go back and look at it again. 2019 is not much different...a little less disparity, but our's is still a decent amount more difficult.

This proves that we play a harder schedule than bama does.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 2:53 pm
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:02 pm to
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You'd rather move the goalpost than just admit that what I stated is correct?


I think you're reading skills are lacking I said

quote:

we had a slightly tougher regular season schedule


How is that saying you are wrong?

quote:

And our non-common opponent schedule in 2018 was significantly more difficult than bama's...not slightly...significantly. Go back and look at it again


Well that's why I said we were #1 in SOS and they were 5. Obviously we played some tougher opponents than they did.

quote:

This proves that we play a harder schedule than bama does


Ok. Again I ask you, what does looking at 1 or 2 years in a vacuum really prove in your mind? What point are you trying to make with this information?

ETA: btw Alabama had a tougher s.o.s. than LSU in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017. Which again proves nothing but I am just illustrating the point that looking at things in a one year vacuum is silly.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 3:09 pm
Posted by madddoggydawg
Metairie
Member since Jun 2013
6626 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:02 pm to
quote:

Actually Saban is the only coach in the SEC pushing for a 9 game SE schedule. It's everyone else that has voted against it.
That doesn't mean he doesn't make sure the permanent opponent format never changes. Saban plays by the rules, not for principle. He didn't concede to spread offenses routing him just because he lobbied for a rule change on the pretext that they were unsafe.
Posted by Spotswoode
Mount Rushmore
Member since Aug 2018
1594 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:08 pm to
quote:

Last season Alabama's two East teams went a combined 13-12, neither finishing ranked. LSU's East division opponents finished a combined 21-6, both teams ended up ranked in the top 10.


Okay, but when the permanent opponent was picked Bama got no break by drawing Tennessee, which was more of a perennial power than Florida, and had recently won a national championship. The other eastern foe is based on a rotating schedule that is as unbiased as it can get.

People who complain about this are members of the Film Actors Guild.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 3:09 pm
Posted by madddoggydawg
Metairie
Member since Jun 2013
6626 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:12 pm to
quote:

when the permanent opponent was picked Bama got no break by drawing Tennessee
So now they drew Tennessee. I thought it was life or death that they play them every year.
Posted by OppositeMan
Member since Apr 2018
1853 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:12 pm to
GFY...you're arguing for the sake of arguing, just like that other guy. Snot fun.

quote:

What point are you trying to make with this information?


1. LSU plays a tougher schedule than bama.
2. LSU should reevaluate its scheduling strategy based on this.

I already stated all of this several times above.


Hey...what's your point? This should be great. You going to pretend to agree with me while still maintaining that I'm somehow wrong about something?
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 3:14 pm
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