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re: If you consider les miles a "great" coach, please
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:23 pm to Choctaw
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:23 pm to Choctaw
Strictly? That's your wording..
But his hires..are his coaching
His QB recruiting/class-spacing as for avoiding RSF starting..is his coaching
His player's coach MO that has players whining and out drinking and rolling over..is his coaching
His lack of the minutia, blown assingments, bad angles taken by so many, defensive schemes via DCs,etc..is his coaching
His Special Teams play for his entire era, outside of David and Fisher's excellence on their own behalfs, with no jamming, poor tackling, fair-catching, blocks in the back,etc..based upon Peveto and Robinson..is his coaching.
Etc..it all starts at the top..it all ends at the top..accountability..that's why he makes 4M Per.
But his hires..are his coaching
His QB recruiting/class-spacing as for avoiding RSF starting..is his coaching
His player's coach MO that has players whining and out drinking and rolling over..is his coaching
His lack of the minutia, blown assingments, bad angles taken by so many, defensive schemes via DCs,etc..is his coaching
His Special Teams play for his entire era, outside of David and Fisher's excellence on their own behalfs, with no jamming, poor tackling, fair-catching, blocks in the back,etc..based upon Peveto and Robinson..is his coaching.
Etc..it all starts at the top..it all ends at the top..accountability..that's why he makes 4M Per.
This post was edited on 12/15/08 at 3:54 pm
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Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:24 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
quote:Unless his last name is Saban, in which case . . . shite happens ya know?
Etc..it all starts at the top..it all ends at the top..accountability..that's why he makes 4M Per.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:28 pm to drexyl
And I'm not saying they deliver equal results..you are.
If Miles is the HC at Bama this year, they would've probably dropped a game before the SECCG..the lack of minutia would've bit them somewhere vs Ky, UM, LSU.
Saban's "dominate" mantra wouldn't have led all the games all season early, they'd have trailed 7-0 early and often, just as Miles coached teams have for much of the last two years, one of which was with the best team in the country by far, yet still fell behind every week.
Mindset, Minutia, Relative to..
If Miles is the HC at Bama this year, they would've probably dropped a game before the SECCG..the lack of minutia would've bit them somewhere vs Ky, UM, LSU.
Saban's "dominate" mantra wouldn't have led all the games all season early, they'd have trailed 7-0 early and often, just as Miles coached teams have for much of the last two years, one of which was with the best team in the country by far, yet still fell behind every week.
Mindset, Minutia, Relative to..
This post was edited on 12/15/08 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:35 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
quote:so what happened to God Saban and his dominate mantra every season prior to this one?
If Miles is the HC at Bama this year, they would've probably dropped a game before the SECCG..the lack of minutia would've bit them somewhere vs Ky, UM, LSU.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:37 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
So i guess when LSU stomped a mudhole in Miami, Notre Dame, and OSU that was the players? right?
Or was it that they were all overrated?
I know your type. You're one of those that didnt like the Miles' hire from the start so, no matter what he accomplishes, you find some fault. Well guess what, that can be done with any coach, including Lord Saban.
Or was it that they were all overrated?
I know your type. You're one of those that didnt like the Miles' hire from the start so, no matter what he accomplishes, you find some fault. Well guess what, that can be done with any coach, including Lord Saban.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:47 pm to Choctaw
I don't think Miles to be a bad coach, he is a very good one, but just not an elite one..except in numbers..of which the chart took a bruiser this year. The devil is in the details.
P.S. I bet LSU in those three bowl games, even picked Miles and LSU to beat OSU 37-23 here on the Rant's prediction thread. As near forty days to prep, speed on carpet, playing two slower Yankee teams & a dying-on-vine Cane team long out of Davis recruits..makes for a big advantage to the Sabanistas/Milers. Two of which were played in the Superdome.
P.S.S. That three year window of LSU roster talent was lauded the best in the country by Kiper, assorted oddsmakers, and many draft scouts that attended LSU, USC,etc..practices and games..the 2006 team was called equal or better than Fla by many oddsmakers and tv analysts at year's end.
I surely hope they win as a 3 pt dog to Miami, 10 to 11.5 fav to ND, and a 5 down to 3 pt chalk over OSU.
P.S. I bet LSU in those three bowl games, even picked Miles and LSU to beat OSU 37-23 here on the Rant's prediction thread. As near forty days to prep, speed on carpet, playing two slower Yankee teams & a dying-on-vine Cane team long out of Davis recruits..makes for a big advantage to the Sabanistas/Milers. Two of which were played in the Superdome.
P.S.S. That three year window of LSU roster talent was lauded the best in the country by Kiper, assorted oddsmakers, and many draft scouts that attended LSU, USC,etc..practices and games..the 2006 team was called equal or better than Fla by many oddsmakers and tv analysts at year's end.
I surely hope they win as a 3 pt dog to Miami, 10 to 11.5 fav to ND, and a 5 down to 3 pt chalk over OSU.
This post was edited on 12/15/08 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 12/15/08 at 4:02 pm to Goofy Reilly
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chips fell in 03 also
Slivers, actually. Literally a change in the outcome of just one of dozens and dozens of games would have put USC in the game against Oklahoma instead of LSU. A couple of thousandths of a point was the margin.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 4:08 pm to Ace Midnight
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Slivers, actually. Literally a change in the outcome of just one of dozens and dozens of games would have put USC in the game against Oklahoma instead of LSU. A couple of thousandths of a point was the margin.
Saban did that by WILLING Hawaii to lose. Les wouldn't have had the minutia in place to do that.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 4:12 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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I surely hope they win as a 3 pt dog to Miami, 10 to 11.5 fav to ND, and a 5 down to 3 pt chalk over OSU.
I get it. You aren't impressed by LSU's bowl victories over the past few years because LSU was supposed to win those bowl games.
It was just Les' lack of coaching ability that lead us to win by less points than we should have.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 4:16 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
quote:Now Saban's bowl losses on the other hand . . . THOSE were something special to behold. NO ONE loses a bowl game with more precision and "want to" than Nick Saban. I lost money on those bowl games and enjoyed myself doing it.
I get it. You aren't impressed by LSU's bowl victories over the past few years because LSU
SABAN MINUTIA This post was edited on 12/15/08 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 12/15/08 at 4:24 pm to drexyl
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so what happened to God Saban and his dominate mantra every season prior to this one?
I seem to remember LSU teams that played their best ball as the season progressed, and/or in November. I seem to remember teams that put some teams away badly, instead of having to win or lose based upon whom had the ball last. I remember never watching LSU lose to Georgia or in the SECCG.
And to think I defended Miles' better qualities to Josh Reed's skepticism a few years back as we sat together in the GC, telling him to give LM a chance..what kind of sorry Miles-Basher am I?
Rules, you are wrong, Miles had enough sway with God, to get WVU to blow outright as a 21 to 24 pt fav, amongst other upsets that day..God had granted an obviously lesser man the same post-SECCG day favors while at LSU in 2003..Les was equally deserving.
P.S. You Miles Apologists sure can spin some whack rationalizations, and put words in other's mouths that were never said nor implied. I'll leave you Milers with this, "LM is only as good as the company of coaches he keeps, which while true of 99.9% HCs, is even more so for him. Better keep Crowton and get an elite DC in here quick!"
This post was edited on 12/15/08 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 12/15/08 at 4:27 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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You Miles Apologists sure can spin some whack rationalizations, and put words in other's mouths that were never said nor implied.
So can the Sabanistas.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 4:38 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
quote:unless a trip to the SECCG is on the line, again where was this great minutia? The infallible "4th quarter program" that no other college coach in the country uses? The defensive genius that was picked apart by Matt Jones? Why won't you just admit that in your mind Saban can do no wrong? Every blemish on his career (that I presume you typed while crying) has been followed by an excuse or qualifier.
I seem to remember LSU teams that played their best ball as the season progressed, and/or in November.
quote:unless it was against Ole Miss
I seem to remember teams that put some teams away badly, instead of having to win or lose based upon whom had the ball last.
quote:your memory sucks or you watched that game with your eyes closed. Saban got his arse handed to him BADLY that day with two of the best corners in LSU history on the field.
I remember never watching LSU lose to Georgia
Posted on 12/15/08 at 4:48 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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I seem to remember LSU teams that played their best ball as the season progressed, and/or in November. I seem to remember teams that put some teams away badly, instead of having to win or lose based upon whom had the ball last.
You watch any Alabama games this year? Let's just say they were a first half team and thank God they didn't play anybody that could mount a comeback...except that team from Florida.
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And to think I defended Miles' better qualities to Josh Reed's skeptiscism a few years back as we sat together in the GC, telling him to give LM a chance..what kind of sorry Miles-Basher am I?
Josh's coach ditched on LSU. I'm sure he had a trust issue due to this.
What are Miles' better qualities as you see them? It's hard not to categorize you as a Les Basher when you have never shared your thoughts on his better qualities.
quote:
You Miles Apologists
So I'm a Miles Apologist?
OK then:
I'm sorry for the overall awesomeness that has been LSU football since Saban has left. (actually I like Saban, but I'm a Miles Apologist. Saban has enough minutia to handle the apologies himself)
I'm sorry for the currently rated #1 recruiting class per Rivals. (it's probably due to the championship we fell into with Saban's recruits last year so these incoming freshmen will also be Saban recruits technically).
I'm sorry we dismissed the problem child that was Ryan P. only to lose enough games to give SabanBoyz enough ammo to bother every other Tiger fan during the off-season. However, if we'd have kept him it would have only been an indication of the lack of discipline that runs rampant on Miles' teams.
Finally, I'm sorry for that national championship we fell into last year.
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Better keep Crowton and get an elite DC in here quick!"
We agree on something.
It's all a fun debate anyway.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 4:50 pm to drexyl
Well, yes, I had sorta forgotten about the revenge rout in Athens 2004..thanks for the bad memory.
Come on drexyl, did you not watch any of Miles Okie State teams? Tell me you don't see similarities between the last two LSU teams in mindset, MO, Defense, etc..when talent levels and conference affiliation are deducted from the equation. It's f@cking scary!
Rock-solid Ds and well coached teams can make one score leads hold up, sometimes for many a quarter..remember the Saban years.
As for Miles best qualities, he is a quality human being, and great family man. It seems that he cares more about his people than winning or his paycheck. He is always positive. He believes in his people and players to a fault. He is a fighter with fire, etc..
Come on drexyl, did you not watch any of Miles Okie State teams? Tell me you don't see similarities between the last two LSU teams in mindset, MO, Defense, etc..when talent levels and conference affiliation are deducted from the equation. It's f@cking scary!
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You watch any Alabama games this year? Let's just say they were a first half team and thank God they didn't play anybody that could mount a comeback...except that team from Florida.
Rock-solid Ds and well coached teams can make one score leads hold up, sometimes for many a quarter..remember the Saban years.
As for Miles best qualities, he is a quality human being, and great family man. It seems that he cares more about his people than winning or his paycheck. He is always positive. He believes in his people and players to a fault. He is a fighter with fire, etc..
This post was edited on 12/15/08 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 12/15/08 at 5:07 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
quote:
Rock-solid Ds and well coached teams can make one score leads hold up, sometimes for many a quarter..remember the Saban years.
I agree that Saban's defenses were solid, as were Miles' until lately. But Saban's offenses were mediocre no matter how much talent he accumulated, and even in 2003 Saban laid an egg against florida and very nearly lost to OleMiss and OK due to offensive struggles. Also, his teams had a tendency to play down to the level of competition and come out flat, no matter how much Saban preached against it. It was like the players werent having fun out there, and sometimes it showed.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 5:09 pm to biglego
I agree with all of that.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 5:20 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
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They got rid of Coker and their doing sooooo much better now, right?
If Coker never happened, they'd probably still be on top. The top kids in Miami stopped going to Miami. The "big time" players he recruited (i.e. 5* QB Kyle Wright, 5* WR Lance Leggett, etc.) weren't coached worth a shite while there. Coker ran the program into the ground. It's not going to be elite for a while, assuming Shannon is actually worth a shite.
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Yep. The ones that won the national title the year before and the ones that are in that National Title game again this year. Guess we shoulda steamrolled them huh?
So because Arkansas was good in 2006, that means it's okay to lose to them this and last year? Please, that argument is weak as frick. It would be like Ole Miss fans saying "well beating LSU in 2008 was still hard because they were champs in 07 and are good now (in 2009)". Absolutely weak.
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You're just stirring the pot now. Only a moron would say this.
I think a moron would be someone who let 41 seconds go down to the wire for some god damn throw (into great coverage) in the endzone when a FG would have done just fine. Let's just say the ball is tipped up in the air, or better yet, intercepted since it was tight coverage. You would be calling for Miles' head if either scenario played out. Anyone with any fricking sense would have tried to get a play off quicker.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 5:41 pm to AlexLSU
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If Coker never happened, they'd probably still be on top.
...ok...
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So because Arkansas was good in 2006, that means it's okay to lose to them this and last year? Please, that argument is weak as frick. It would be like Ole Miss fans saying "well beating LSU in 2008 was still hard because they were champs in 07 and are good now (in 2009)". Absolutely weak.
I'll go a little slower.
-You said that we shouldn't have needed to convert four 4th downs against Florida because...well...just because.
-I said that Florida was a national champion in 06, a contender this year, had a Hiesman QB (actually someone added that after), and was a pretty damn good team last year.
- My argument is that some of the guys on the previous national championship team were stll there last year and so are some of the ones that are on the same team that is contending this year. I assert that it would take a great effort by any team to bet UF last year based on the talent level they have right now.
-You counter with an Arkansas reference that doesn't apply in the slightest.
[quote]a moron would be someone who let 41 seconds go down to the wire for some god damn throw (into great coverage) in the endzone when a FG would have done just fine. Anyone with any fricking sense would have tried to get a play off quicker.[quote]
I was wrong. You aren't trying to stir the pot.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 5:44 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
I don't care if Miles is considered a great coach. He has produced the greatest four year span in LSU football history!
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