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re: If you consider les miles a "great" coach, please
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:12 pm to oilfieldtiger
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:12 pm to oilfieldtiger
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I'm grateful for everything Saban did for LSU, but the man was not flawless and neither is Miles
+1
Every coach, no matter how great, makes mistakes and loses games to inferior teams.
If Miles makes the needed DC changes and LSU turns in a great 2009 season, then it would seem to ne that at that point Miles a great coach who does more than skate by with talent.
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Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:13 pm to TxTiger82
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He owes us, too.
bingo! Saban couldn't turn the corner at Mich St. because of the recruiting obstacles. Nick had to have the right job and the right tools, and the right recruiting base to obtain greatness. Some act like he just oozed greatness wherever he landed...not true. Few can do that.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:14 pm to geauxgrrl
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What was their graduation rate?
That stat is meaningless to the vast majority of fans, me included. Sad, but true.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:17 pm to Me4Heisman
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Flynn, Hester and Doucet should not have been critical losses.
Losing a 5th year senior QB is not a critical loss?? Then losing you superstar-in-the-making Jr. QB too? Hester, a senior...Doucet a senior.....Steltz a senior.....Jackson, Dorsey, Zenon, Highsmith....come on man.....we were rebuilding HUGE this year. Please
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:19 pm to oilfieldtiger
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The minutia that broke Mauck's foot in garbage time against UF in 2002 leaving us woefully short at QB and costing a great season?
Man,was that stupid.
We were up 36-7 and he knew we had no one as a back-up QB. But,he kept Mauck in the game just handing it off up the middle in the 4th qtr. 
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:40 pm to oilfieldtiger
I was just as livid when losing Mauck, when the Swamp was longed since drained already, Wilkerson's injury, and the blown coverages,etc..
But, unlike the HC of current, I never doubted his competency, his honest assessments of the state of affairs, ability to handle situations, and never thought he to not have an iron grip on his program.
But, unlike the HC of current, I never doubted his competency, his honest assessments of the state of affairs, ability to handle situations, and never thought he to not have an iron grip on his program.
This post was edited on 12/15/08 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:43 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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And Saban kicked off DJ Hall
For the first half of the ULM game. Until he realized he was about to get beat.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:47 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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But, unlike the HC of current, I never doubted his competency, his honest assessments of the state of affairs, ability to handle situations, and never thought he to not have an iron grip on his program.
And I guess thats the point. Fans can see past Saban's mistakes, but not Miles' mistakes.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:51 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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But, unlike the HC of current, I never doubted his competency, his honest assessments of the state of affairs, ability to handle situations, and never thought he to not have an iron grip on his program.
So you never doubted or questioned Saban when we lost to UAB, or the game winning bomb against Iowa, or the Texas comeback in the Cotton Bowl.
Hindsight is a beautiful thing. Y'all like to call us Miles' supporters "sheep", but you all are kneeling down in front of a man that isnt even our coach.
This post was edited on 12/15/08 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:02 pm to Choctaw
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Hindsight is a beautiful thing. Y'all like to call us Miles' supporters "sheep", but you all are kneeling down in front of a man that isnt even our coach.
Infatuation with "the one that got away".....it's human nature I guess.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:02 pm to Choctaw
I was pissed at the UAB loss, and a week later told my friends that I was at the Tenn game with, as LSU won "We have a championship coach, it's gonna be up, up, and away!"..word for word! And his recruiting was also already telling that tale too.
The Texas comeback was versus a superior team, a wrongly paired bowl matchup, and LSU had like twenty players with the flu, they led until halftime, and were largely beaten by Corey Redding and Roy Williams eating their man alive on each side of the ball. Valiant Tiger Effort.
The Iowa loss, I was livid at Saban for gutshotting his players, and leaving them to battle up hill with half-hearted souls, and leaving JR on the bench until late in the game..but was equally gutshot at Skip's hire based on Gil Brandt's rec, and announced by Ott pregame.
Miles, like Saban, has proven better than his solid work at a lesser platform. But unlike Saban, I don't think he could've put LSU where it sits today, should he have been given what Saban inherited and built up. I think Saban, if stayed, may have had LSU with more hardware? And most importantly, I would have none of the current trepidation at hand over LSU's fothcoming years and possible slide from it's current stature.
The Texas comeback was versus a superior team, a wrongly paired bowl matchup, and LSU had like twenty players with the flu, they led until halftime, and were largely beaten by Corey Redding and Roy Williams eating their man alive on each side of the ball. Valiant Tiger Effort.
The Iowa loss, I was livid at Saban for gutshotting his players, and leaving them to battle up hill with half-hearted souls, and leaving JR on the bench until late in the game..but was equally gutshot at Skip's hire based on Gil Brandt's rec, and announced by Ott pregame.
Miles, like Saban, has proven better than his solid work at a lesser platform. But unlike Saban, I don't think he could've put LSU where it sits today, should he have been given what Saban inherited and built up. I think Saban, if stayed, may have had LSU with more hardware? And most importantly, I would have none of the current trepidation at hand over LSU's fothcoming years and possible slide from it's current stature.
This post was edited on 12/15/08 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:06 pm to geauxjo
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Flynn, Hester and Doucet should not have been critical losses.
Flynn really wasn't that great for a 5th year senior. A halfway decent JLee could've managed the offense to a 9-3 season.
Hester wasn't even the best RB on the team last year.
Lafell, Byrd, the Mitchells and Tolliver could easily pick up where Doucet left off.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:07 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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I think Saban, if stayed, may have had LSU with more hardware?
I think LSU might have been better in 2007 with Saban, b/c the defense would probably have played better. This is debatable of course, and Saban's offenses have rarely inspired me.
I dont think there would have been any difference in 2005 or 2006, since both years LSU had great defense and Jimbo offenses, which is what Saban would have had.
2008? Saban might have had same offensive struggles but I cant see the defense being the disaster that it was.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:08 pm to Me4Heisman
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Flynn really wasn't that great for a 5th year senior
He was a 5th year senior but a first time starter. I think he was one of LSU's all time best QBs and a very underrated leader.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:08 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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Miles, like Saban, has proven better than his solid work at a lesser platform. But unlike Saban, I don't think he could've put LSU where it sits today, should he have been given what Saban inherited and built up
Considering the recruiting, and thats where it starts, im going to have to politely disagree. He won more games with "Sabans players" than Saban did. If you honestly believe that this season was based strictly on Miles' coaching then i dont know what else to say.
This post was edited on 12/15/08 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:11 pm to Choctaw
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If you honestly believe that this season was based strictly on Miles' coaching then i dont know what else to say.
Miles must be accountable for the Malleveto. But he can also fix it. Cant blame Miles for the QB issues.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:14 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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I was pissed at the UAB loss, and a week later told my friends that I was at the Tenn game with, as LSU won "We have a championship coach, it's gonna be up, up, and away!"..word for word! And his recruiting was also already telling that tale too.
The Texas comeback was versus a superior team, a wrongly piared bowl matchup, and LSU had like twenty players with the flu, they led until halftime, and were largely beaten by Corey Redding and Roy Williams eating their man alive on each side of the ball. Valiant Tiger Effort.
Saban gets a pass for having 20 players with the flu but Miles gets vilified for his players running out of gas after Katrina and Rita vs. Tennessee.
You laud Saban's recruiting prowess while Miles has the #1 recruiting class in the nation.
You're saying that Miles and Saban could deliver equal results and you would prefer Saban. While I appreciate your honesty I can't say I follow your logic.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:17 pm to biglego
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Miles must be accountable for the Malleveto. But he can also fix it. Cant blame Miles for the QB issues
Thats why i said strictly based on....
Yes, Miles made a mistake but so has every coach that ever coached a game. Tubbs with his OC, Saban with Applewhite, Bowden with Jimbo (IMO), the list goes on.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:18 pm to biglego
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Flynn really wasn't that great for an injured 5th year senior
Fixed it for you!
He looked great against Ohio St., and the Packers thought he looked great for a rookie QB in summer camp!
Posted on 12/15/08 at 3:19 pm to Choctaw
I was agreeing with you.
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