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re: If you are looking forward at all, then you should like what you see.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 12:57 pm to Midtiger farm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 12:57 pm to Midtiger farm
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No it wasn’t. He signed way too many fbs, TEs, and specialist and not enough OL and DL then padded his class ranking with a bunch of WRs and DBs
what the hell are you talking about. youre using this year's oline and dline and acting like that was miles entire tenure. take a guess how many programs have put more dlinemen into the nfl as lsu did from 2005-2015. we were dline u before dbu. and under Miles we almost always had a great oline. even when miles was fired we had depth at oline.
his last full year in 2015 we had the most olinemen make an all sec team, a rimington award finalist, and led the country in yards before contact.
stop regurgitating bull shite rant myths and educate yourself.
in no way was Miles a bad roster manager except for qb. where do you people get this bullshite
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 1:04 pm
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Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:06 pm to roygu
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What do you think Miles legacy would have been if when he came to LSU, Saban had left him an Etling, Harris, or Jennings?
I suspect he wouldn't still be living of the guaranteed money from LSU.
miles went to a program with 1 winning season from 1989-2001 and had them winning 8 & 9 games.
also you really dont remember the Jruss qb that miles inherited do you?
also you do realize that Jordan Jefferson has 2 seasons with a better qb rating than Flynn had in 07, right?
miles had proven he could go to a shite program and have some success. o hasnt.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:17 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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ed orgeron has proven nothing excrpt his inability to run a successful program.
Maybe. Maybe not. Its been rough no doubt. But that was the point of my post, that coaches have bad years in their first year. You decided to "move the goal post" when you changed it to a "what did they do 15 years prior to" argument
Hopefully they get it turned around. If not, heads will roll. There isnt any argument about that. There are a few fans out there still that always want LSU to succeed no matter the cost. Just tired of the same old sayings out there right now:
If you want O to stay, you are the problem.
This program will be destroyed by the time O is gone.
None of this bullshite is true.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:18 pm to Dudebro2
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That being said if you are looking ahead at all next year and the year after are set up where we should be competing for titles
How you guys keep moving the goal post is some funny shite!
The big plus supposedly of the O hire was that things were ALREADY set up and all we needed was for O to get a dynamic OC and LSU was going to be off to the races. But now it's give us the next two years.
Of course, the story also was O had learned from his past mistakes and would allow our coordinators to do their jobs. Wrong!
O hasn't done shite to earn a wait and see approach. He hadn't earned it before the hire was made, he hadn't earned it before the season started, and he damn sure hasn't earned it after six games.
Good road win at Florida after three straight shitty efforts. I will wait until around 6 PM Saturday to decide how much I like what I see.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:54 pm to PaperTiger
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Maybe. Maybe not.
what?
of any ole miss coach to have coached at least 10 games o has the worst overall win % and the worst sec win %.
in his 7 games tenure at lsu he has.....
1.had to be sat down and told to get the hell out of the way.
2. had the worst loss in lsu msu history.
3. had the worst loss a ranked lsu team had at the hands of an unranked opponent.
4. lost at home to an ooc opponent for the 1st time in 49 games.
5. has literally blamed everyone and everything else besides himself
6. lost to a team that has zero top 95 classes since 2014
7. almost cost our 2 committed qbs by offering a qb that was never coming here.
8. publicly blasted special teams players when they dont even have a devoted special teams coach.
AND THAT'S 7 GAMES IN. if that doesnt worry you then ok.
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You decided to "move the goal post" when you changed it to a "what did they do 15 years prior to" argument
i didnt change shite. it matters whay type of program is hiring an unqualifed coach. if lsu hired O after having 1 top 20 finish in 18 years( like clemson and dabo) , most people wouldnt be blasting the hire.
you so realize this is the most unqualified hire in big 6 history, right? O has never proven he can run a successful side of the ball let alone a successful program. derek Dooley has a better resume than O. hell Derek Mason has a better resume than O.
its basically unheard of for a big 6 program to hire someone thays never even been a successful coordinator let alone head coach(i can only think of one amd the program immediately regretted it and fired the guy after 2 years).
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If you want O to stay, you are the problem.
if you are in favor of ed orgeron being our head coach YOU ARE THE REASON OUR CLOWN AD THOUGHT HE COULD GET AWAY WITH THIS.
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This program will be destroyed by the time O is gone.
if the rest of O's tenure is amywhere near as shitty as the 1st 7 games IT WONT TAKE 3 YEARS TO DESTROY THE PROGRAM
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:11 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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stop regurgitating bull shite rant myths and educate yourself.
in no way was Miles a bad roster manager except for qb. where do you people get this bull shite
In 2011 he signed 4 OL 3 DT O LB
In 12 he signed 3 Ol and 1 Dl and 6 LB
13 5 OL and 6 DL but only 1 DT and 2 LB which he then converted 1 of them to FB
14 3 OL 3 DL 3LB
15 5 OL O DTs and only 2DE that ended up being OLB and 0 Ilb
5 OL play at a time so you should sign at least an avg of 4 a year He signed 20 but only 7 were OTs which has left us depleted at T
3-4 DL should be signed a year but he only signed 13 in a 5 year period. He only signed 4 DTs in 4 whole classes
Only signed 12 LBs in 5 year period if you count key and I. Washington and only 2 ILB over a 3 year period
You need to get educated if you think this is good roster management.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:16 pm to Midtiger farm
This OP is one of several that appear to be astro- turf "grass roots" support for The Orgeron, suddenly swelling up among tiger fans.
This particular version suggests that now that we have a SEC win, we are on a streak of victories into the foreseeable future...
Nothing can stop us now!
This particular version suggests that now that we have a SEC win, we are on a streak of victories into the foreseeable future...
Nothing can stop us now!
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:23 pm to Midtiger farm
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No it wasn’t. He signed way too many fbs, TEs, and specialist and not enough OL and DL then padded his class ranking with a bunch of WRs and DBs
well shite then miles was a great coach finishing top 15 and 10 win seasons with all those wrs and dbs.
you people need to make up your minds and stop changing the narrative to defend O.
was miles underachieving with all this talent or was our roster really just wrs and dbs?
at no point was miles a bad roster manager.
lsu is top 5 in putting these positions into the nfl under Miles.
dline
rb
wr
cb
saftey
we also put 8 Linebackers in the nfl from 2010-2016.
we have put 8 olinemen in the nfl since 2007
but yeah roster management sucked.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:26 pm to Midtiger farm
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5 OL play at a time so you should sign at least an avg of 4 a year He signed 20 but only 7 were OTs which has left us depleted at T
when did we lack depth on any of these positions besides this year?
you clearly dont pay attention to other sec programs if you think what you posted is mismanagement.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:28 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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1.had to be sat down and told to get the hell out of the way.
I highly doubt this was what the meeting was about
he told Canada that he wanted to simplify the offense for one half of one game. Let's not act like he's been handcuffing Canada from the get go. 3, 4 and 6 are the same team. Just because you list it out 3 times doesn't make O look worse. It was a bad loss. Again...THE REASON I POSTED
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7. almost cost our 2 committed qbs by offering a qb that was never coming here.
How do you think recruiting works? Are you going to blame Orgeron for attempting to get a 5* QB on campus...at a position that seems to continually haunt us? Good god
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you so realize this is the most unqualified hire in big 6 history, right?
Debatable. You ever heard of Gene Chizik?
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if you are in favor of ed orgeron being our head coach YOU ARE THE REASON OUR CLOWN AD THOUGHT HE COULD GET AWAY WITH THIS.
Yeah because that's exactly what I said
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:35 pm to BK785
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One big problem I see is that LSU will have a new starter behind center who will basically have minimal game experience
He played the majority of the second half in 2 out of the first 5 games when the outcome was still in doubt. I'd imagine he will get some more meaningful snaps this year as well. No reason to think that he won't be ready next year.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:36 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I’m not posting this to defend O I don’t think O should’ve been hired but I think Miles should’ve been fired and apparently your dumbass doesn’t
This team has 9-3 talent but won’t go 9-3 and that’s on O but Miles is part of the reason they don’t have championship talent
This team has 9-3 talent but won’t go 9-3 and that’s on O but Miles is part of the reason they don’t have championship talent
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:41 pm to PaperTiger
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3, 4 and 6 are the same team. Just because you list it out 3 times doesn't make O look worse. It was a bad loss. Again...THE REASON I POSTED
yes it does make it look worse.
losing a hard fought Miss sta game is better than having the worst loss in lsu msu history. are you being serious?
having the worst loss a ranked lsu team had at the hands of an unranked opponent IS WORSE than not.
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How do you think recruiting works? Are you going to blame Orgeron for attempting to get a 5* QB on campus...at a position that seems to continually haunt us? Good god
yes. a month before national signing day. you dont follow recruiting if you think O offering Tua because of lane kiffen happens all the time.
Brennan opened uo recruiting specifically because O offered a guy that had been committed to bama for a year and was going to be an early enrollment.
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Debatable. You ever heard of Gene Chizik?
you mean tge guy that had been a very successful coordinator? yeah i have heard of him. when was O a successful coordinator?
never.
no big 6 coach you ever list will be as unqualified as Ed Orgeron. Thats what youre clearly not getting.
so lets see.....
Gene Chizik
Had been a very successful coordinator
had not been a successful head coach
Ed Orgeron
has never been a successful coordinator
has never been a successful head coach
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:42 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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when did we lack depth on any of these positions besides this year?
you clearly dont pay attention to other sec programs if you think what you posted is mismanagement.
We lacked depth at LB the last 2 years and lacked DL depth in 13, 14, and 15. In 14
I’ll look at Bama’s roster because that’s a championship one and they sign way more OL and front 7 guys than us and if they are short they go get elite Jucos
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:55 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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are you being serious?
What part of "it was a bad loss" can you not comprehend? No one is arguing it wasn't a bad loss.
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yes. a month before national signing day. you dont follow recruiting if you think O offering Tua because of lane kiffen happens all the time.
Brennan opened uo recruiting specifically because O offered a guy that had been committed to bama for a year and was going to be an early enrollment.
I do follow recruiting. It was speculation only because Myles never said this (yes I know he wouldn't even if it was true) and Myles dad called Orgeron 3x a day to confirm that they weren't decommitted per Myles dad. How in the frick do you think players like that swap on national signing day? It happens literally all the time. You have to go try and get them. I'm not going to fault Orgeron for that.
I forgot Chizik was a defensive coordinator for a few years. I was thinking of his 4-8 stint as a head coach and then that one guy yelling at him at the airport calling him a zero
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:03 pm to PaperTiger
quote:Did not have a history of destroying a program. Did not have issues contradicting himself in the media. Was a successful offensive coordinator in 2008. Improved in recruiting every year.
Dabo Swinney
Yes. Clemson took a chance with Dabo. But Dabo improved the year after his interim year. He also improved recruiting every year. His only bad season was in 2010. And that was after showing that he could improve the program. He was making strides.
quote:Mike Gundy had not proven to be a failure before. His first full year of recruiting he had a 16th ranked class after having a 47th ranked class the year before. He improved recruiting DRAMATICALLY. He was also a successful OC in his history.
Mike Gundy
quote:Was a successful DC in his past. Not a failed head coach. And they didn't fire their predecessor to hire him.
Gary Patterson.
quote:Was a succesful DC AND HC before being hired a VT.
Frank Beamer
quote:Was a successful DC prior to becoming a HC. He was also taking over a 5-6 football team and improved them. He also was not a failed head coach previously.
Bob Stoops
You can try and make excuses for wanting Ed O to be our head coach,
But I promise you, there is not ONE comparable situation that says this man will succeed. NOT ONE. There is nothing that says this guy is the man for the job. NOTHING. Nothing that says we should even give him a chance.
Nothing that is other than a cajun accent and a hope and a prayer.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:03 pm to Dudebro2
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If you are looking forward at all, then you should like what you see.
I mean no offense when I say this - but that quoted statement is the exact opposite of how I feel.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:12 pm to Midtiger farm
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We lacked depth at LB the last 2 years and lacked DL depth in 13, 14, and 15. In 14
compared to who?
quote:
’ll look at Bama’s roster because that’s a championship one and they sign way more OL and front 7 guys than us and if they are short they go get elite Jucos
ok i see the problem. youre judging our depth against the most deep roster in cfb. bama had more players with a 1st rd grade in their front 7 than our entire team. if youre judging a cfb program's depth against Bama( the deepest and most talented roster in cfb) then yeah we had problems. every program in cfb lacks the depth bama has. theu have 5 star recruits sitting on the bench.
its amazing how all of the sudden Miles dodnt actually have talent since people like you want to prop O up and act like our talent is nothing but wrs and dbs.
its amazing how quick people like you change the narrative to support your stance.
you have to pick one.
either miles was underachieving woth loaded rosters
or he actually didnt have much talent and he was a good coach.
both cant be true.
everyone lacks depth compared to bama. good god.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:15 pm to PaperTiger
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I do follow recruiting. It was speculation only because Myles never said this (yes I know he wouldn't even if it was true)
he did say it......
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You have to go try and get them. I'm not going to fault Orgeron for that.
of course youre not. just like you're ok with the shite show lsu has been since miss st
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:15 pm to abellsujr
If everything you listed is correct then that just moreso proves my original post. Why doesn't a proven OC,a proven DC or HC get a shorter leash when they had a bad loss in their first year at a new school? Again, why aren't people asking for Lincoln Riley to step down?
And on your reference to Dabo and Gundy on being good recruiters, they are, I think all head coaches have to be good recruiters or they will have no success. Ours isnt looking great this year so far. But the key words are so far. The class we secured last year had to be the hardest one to hold together bc of coaching changes because kids gets nervous and change their commitments. Hopefully things will come together and O can pull in a great class to shore up some OLine and Dline depth. Doesn't everyone always say that LSU recruits itself? We will soon see
And on your reference to Dabo and Gundy on being good recruiters, they are, I think all head coaches have to be good recruiters or they will have no success. Ours isnt looking great this year so far. But the key words are so far. The class we secured last year had to be the hardest one to hold together bc of coaching changes because kids gets nervous and change their commitments. Hopefully things will come together and O can pull in a great class to shore up some OLine and Dline depth. Doesn't everyone always say that LSU recruits itself? We will soon see
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