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re: If we win 10 today it will be the 6th time under Miles
Posted on 11/23/12 at 11:30 am to mylsuhat
Posted on 11/23/12 at 11:30 am to mylsuhat
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mylsuhat
people like that are either trolls or idiots. I've learned it's just not worth responding or getting worked up. We could fill a big city phone book with the names of coaches that took over loaded programs and ran them into the ground. So Les didn't build the program. We didn't need that when he was hired. What's we are doing now is all his doing.
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Posted on 11/23/12 at 11:33 am to SBC
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Miles bashing idiots, the program had a total of 7 in the 111 years prior to Miles
Hard to do when you play only 10 games. Winning 10 games in a 13 game schedule means winning 76.9% of the games. Since LSU joined the SEC the following coaches have done that (+/- depending on the number of games played)
Bernie Moore
1935 – 81.8
1936 – 81.8
1937 – 81.8
1946 – 81.8
Tinsley
1949 – 72.7
Dietzel
1958 – 100.0
1959 – 81.8
1961 – 90.9
Cholly Mac
1962 – 81.8
1964 – 72.7
1965 – 72.7
1968 – 72.7
1969 – 90.0
1970 – 75.0
1971 – 75.0
1972 – 75.0
1973 – 75.0
Arnsparger
1985 – 75.0
1986 – 75.0
Archer
1987 – 83.3
Dinardo
1996 – 83.3
1997 – 75.0
Saban
2001 – 76.9
2003 - 92.9
2004 – 75.0
Posted on 11/23/12 at 11:36 am to League Champs
PEOPLE we Play 12 games per year. The SECC is not a given and bowl games aren't given.
10 out 12 is awesome, but I agree we should have 2 more national titles.
10 out 12 is awesome, but I agree we should have 2 more national titles.
Posted on 11/23/12 at 11:37 am to League Champs
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Hard to do when you play only 10 games. Winning 10 games in a 13 game schedule means winning 76.9% of the games. Since LSU joined the SEC the following coaches have done that (+/- depending on the number of games played)
What about winning 11 games in a 13 game schedule. Post those stats. I bet you won't.
Posted on 11/23/12 at 11:38 am to PhiTiger1764
13 out of 14 is a fairly strong percentage.
Posted on 11/23/12 at 11:39 am to Tiger79
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and bowl games aren't given.
It is if you win 6/7 games
Posted on 11/23/12 at 11:40 am to League Champs
Miles:
2005 84.6
2006 84.6
2007 85.7
2010 84.6
2011 92.9
A 10th win this year would be at worst 77.0 or 84.6. That's still more such seasons than any LSU coach and 75% of his seasons.
2005 84.6
2006 84.6
2007 85.7
2010 84.6
2011 92.9
A 10th win this year would be at worst 77.0 or 84.6. That's still more such seasons than any LSU coach and 75% of his seasons.
Posted on 11/23/12 at 11:42 am to Tiger79
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but I agree we should have 2 more national titles.
2011 and what other year? 2006 I assume. We were as good as anyone, but Florida was pretty damn good that year too, no guarentee we beat them a 2nd time. NC are hard to win, there are fans at a lot of other schools that think they should have won more titles as well.
Posted on 11/23/12 at 11:46 am to League Champs
Ill do it since you won't.
Dietzel:
1958 100.0
1961 90.9
Cholly Mac
1969 90.0
Saban
2003 92.9
Miles:
2005 84.6
2006 84.6
2007 85.7
2010 84.6
2011 92.9
Dietzel:
1958 100.0
1961 90.9
Cholly Mac
1969 90.0
Saban
2003 92.9
Miles:
2005 84.6
2006 84.6
2007 85.7
2010 84.6
2011 92.9
Posted on 11/23/12 at 11:49 am to PhiTiger1764
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What about winning 11 games in a 13 game schedule. Post those stats. I bet you won't.
OK. Not that hard actually. Winning 11 games in a 13 game schedule means winning 84.6% of the games. Since LSU joined the SEC the following coaches have done that (+/- depending on the number of games played)
Bernie Moore
1935 – 81.8
1936 – 81.8
1937 – 81.8
1946 – 81.8
Dietzel
1958 – 100.0
1959 – 81.8
1961 – 90.9
Cholly Mac
1962 – 81.8
1969 – 90.0
Archer
1987 – 83.3
Dinardo
1996 – 83.3
Saban
2003 - 92.9
Miles:
2005 - 84.6
2006 - 84.6
2007 - 85.7
2010 - 84.6
2011 - 92.9
Posted on 11/23/12 at 11:50 am to PhiTiger1764
quote:
Ill spin it since you won't.
Posted on 11/23/12 at 12:02 pm to League Champs
I think 11 games should be the new benchmark. 10 was the standard with the old 11 game regular season so that was 9-2+bowl win. Miles has had 5 11+ win seasons in 12 game regular season and 1 11 win season in a 11 game regular season. From the 80+ winning % he has six of the 17 in lsu history. I think an 11 win season is fair to judge him on relative to history
Posted on 11/23/12 at 12:03 pm to Tiger79
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PEOPLE we Play 12 games per year. The SECC is not a given and bowl games aren't given. 10 out 12 is awesome, but I agree we should have 2 more national titles.
Nattys are basically opinion by corrupt voters and aren't played out on the field. The system is flawed and takes away improvement throughout the season which is asinine. for instance, in the nfl the pats and packets have improved each week and are playing the best football but are doing it with 3 losses. a number of other teams have less than 3 losses but I assure you, I'm taking the pats and pack vs anyone currently. Until their is a real playoff, the gauge to a successful season to me will always be number of wins (win %), combined with a good bowl win, and a top 5 end of year ranking. Essentially, anything over 2 losses for lsu, and I'm disappointed.
This post was edited on 11/23/12 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 11/23/12 at 12:07 pm to jdg91878
Truthfully, Miles could cure cancer and half the idiots on this board would find a reason to discount it.
Posted on 11/23/12 at 12:09 pm to SBC
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For reference you Miles bashing idiots, the program had a total of 7 in the 111 years prior to Miles. Holy shite, we are some lucky folks to have Les Miles.
A great thing for LSU.But to be fair having 12 games to win 10 games is easier than it used to be. BUT Miles IS a top 3 coach in the country.
Posted on 11/23/12 at 12:09 pm to SBC
Hawthorn just announced that. LSU broadcast team reads TD 
Posted on 11/23/12 at 12:21 pm to SleauxPlay
quote:
Eh, we used to play 9-10 games a year. Even in the sixties I believe we played 10-11 games.
We didn't play 8 conference games either. Of the 6 or 7 conference games that we played, Kentucky was always a fixture. The schedule is much tougher these days when you play 8 conference games and sprinkle in Oregon, West Virginia, and even Washington.
Posted on 11/23/12 at 12:42 pm to Gaston
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It's 'cause we play 14 games a year now.
11 or more games have been the standard, with a few exceptions, for a winning team since 1934.
We only play 12 games in the regular season (and didn't in 2005, for example) - the team has to be bowl eligible (and selected) to play 13, and win the division to play 14. (Part of Mac's problem was that he lost a lot of bowl games.)
Now, for the "people who cannot count" - LSU has played 12 or more games every winning season since 1970, except 1976 and 1980. Also, for "those who cannot count" playing your way into a bowl game is another opportunity to lose (winning isn't the only outcome, in other words). Also, 10-2 (.833) is not as good as 11-2 (.846) or 12-2 (.857). 10-1 is better (.909), but not as good as 13-1 (.928). However, how many 10-1 seaons has LSU had? Only 1 - 1961 (and 1987 was 10-1-1).
Now, having said that, Miles has not had a single "10-win" season. He has posted wins of 11, 11, 12, 8, 9, 11, and 13, SO that throws out any chance the 13th or 14th game actually helps him in getting to double digit wins. Miles and Saban are the only LSU coaches to lead 14 game seasons and the results were 13-1, 12-2 and 13-1 respectively - so the 14th game really isn't benefitting the whole "10 win" stats.
Saban needed the 13th game in 2001 to get his 10th win on the year (the 2003 the team was 11-1 going into the SEC-CG). In Miles' case, he won 13 games (all of them) before the bowl game last year, and his only other bowl loss denied him a 10th win.
SO, none of the "13th" or "14th" stuff is valid (ETA - except for 2001).
As far as the 12th regular season game, that only came into play once under Miles - he needed the Arkansas game in 2006 (the first year for Miles with 12 regular season games) to get to 10 wins for the regular season, but he still won the bowl game, so that is invalid as well.
11 wins out of 14 would only be 8 or 9 wins out of 10 or 11. However, as shown here, Miles has gone 11-2, 12-2 or 13-1, thus far (when winning more than 9 games in a season).
Can ya'll go back to bashing Les about his hat, speaking style or clock-management? He is the winningest coach in LSU history, period. His 11-or-more-win seasons and winning percentage are not really areas for which he can be criticized.
This post was edited on 11/23/12 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 11/23/12 at 12:46 pm to Ace Midnight
So win percentage wise. He has 6 of the greatest 10 seasons in the 119 year history of the program.
I'll take it.
I'll take it.
Posted on 11/23/12 at 12:53 pm to SBC
quote:
So win percentage wise. He has 6 of the greatest 10 seasons in the 119 year history of the program.
I'll take it.
If it was so easy, then why was the Greatest Coach Ever(tm) only able to do it 2 times in 5 tries?
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