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re: If we ever start to run a Wild "Tiger" Formation

Posted on 3/29/09 at 11:20 am to
Posted by watigerdz
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 11:20 am to
I think we are recruiting a guy who is more of fa true football guy than Trinton(only because of size) from Thibodaux who would be prefect for the wildcat formation at any spot as well as Randle. Can anyone of you just picture the wildcat formation with Jefferson, Randle, Sheppard, Reed, Calhoun and Seastrunk. Who would defenses cover or try to double cover.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 11:21 am to
He's a passing threat until proven otherwise.

This year if he gets a pitch, teams now know he is a threat to throw.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 11:30 am to
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When I saw RM in the backfield looked at the formation with backs and Oline it couldn't have been the Wild Tiger.

i'll make this simple

the wild tiger is an option play

what option was there when RM got that snap?
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 11:37 am to
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the disadvantage i see to him being the QB is that once trindon leaves, we don't really have that super explosive speed guy that will make Ds worry about the sweep off the motion
Yes we do. Drayton Calhoun.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 11:39 am to
quote:

on a side note, are you worried that your thesis about the combine being slow is bunk yet?


Um, no? Times have generally been faster...


(Although I realize you're just talking out of your arse, again... )


The funny thing is you refuse to just simply accept a mathematical near impossibility.
This post was edited on 3/29/09 at 11:44 am
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 11:39 am to
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that was just a HB direct snap, not the wild-x
I hope I never see this play again, ever, from Crowton.
Posted by mhsdeuce07
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 11:46 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 11:53 am to
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Um, no? Times have generally been faster...

slightly (which always happens when kids go to their on campus workouts), but the 40s are still slow

if you start slow, and those times increase like they always do, then in the end you're still running slower times

quote:

The funny thing is you refuse to just simply accept a mathematical near impossibility.

having a slow class isn't an impossibility
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 12:01 pm to
SFP, I'm not even bothering to respond to your crap anymore. You just talk out of your arse. You did no research into this when I did. I already proved times were WAY DOWN which tells us it wasn't just a MASSIVELY slower class but the track being an issue. If you can't accept the mathematical part of this, that's your problem.
Posted by byubengalboy
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 12:07 pm to
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the disadvantage i see to him being the QB is that once trindon leaves, we don't really have that super explosive speed guy that will make Ds worry about the sweep off the motion. shep is a great option for this with his speed.

We've got plenty of speed and any number of our kids could line up in the slot. LSU's biggest area of concern is the effectiveness of the o-line. The center position is a gaping hole with question to experience, ability and depth and no team can sustain ball control without solid play from the keystone of the o-line. Hollidays importance to our offense is minimal compared to the overall performance of our o-line. Also..if Jefferson is not the qb, he should be off the field out of harm's way.
Posted by horndog
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 12:38 pm to
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the advantage of shep at the QB position is that he is an actual threat to pass


This was always my problem when Holliday came in. The defense always knew what the play was going to be, pitch or handoff to Holliday. They may have used him as a decoy for a few plays, but he can't block and he's a small target as a receiver.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 12:53 pm to
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the wild tiger is an option play


I think the Wild "x" is generally thought of as a formation vs. a play. There were many times DMac took a direct snap and ran out of what was considered the wild-swine formation. Typical plays are a straight run, a zone read, a sweep or a pass. Even the pro announcers refer to a direct snap to a RB as a Wild 'x'. Now, the world isn't as smart as SFP, so maybe the population of football fans is discussing this in the wrong way.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

There were many times DMac took a direct snap and ran out of what was considered the wild-swine formation.

but he only did this after the motion man had gone past him
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 12:58 pm to
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You did no research into this when I did.

i've been keeping up with pro days

no major jumps, just the usualy 0.1 (maybe) increase for regular schools, 0.1-0.2 increase for schools with fast tracks

a good # kept their 40s from the combine, which is also common year in, year out

quote:

I already proved times were WAY DOWN

you showed times were way down. in no way did you accurately describe why

you guessed, and more data has shown your guess i wrong.

quote:

but the track being an issue.

the track that supposedly came from the old dome?
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 1:17 pm to
FWIW, I think Morris Claiborne will be the surprise guy who could take a pitch and also have the ability to pull up and throw.

JJ moves from "pistol" to out wide left, Shep from left slot to Wild Tiger QB, Claiborne behind CScott in backfield I, play flows as an option right, Dickson runs a seam route, JJ runs an underneath crossing route, Lafell lined up on right side runs an out and up, Shep reads 1) dive to Scott, 2) keeper, 3) Pitch to Claiborne, Claiborne reads 1) keeper, 2) JJ across at 15 yards downfield, 3) Lafell deep downfield, 4) CScott in a hook route 10 yards downfield where Dickson cleared out. (CScott also possibly picks the defender covering JJ in his crossing route.

How's that for a play, with playmakers?
Posted by NorfolkVATiger
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 1:20 pm to
The read option (which is different than the wildcat) doesn't require a speed guy at RB; frankly I think you might see more of this than of a wildcat style play.

The style of read option run by Shep in high school - and at many colleges - is to run the FB dive where the QB drags the ball in the FB's belly while he reads the DE. If the DE takes the QB, he gives the ball to the FB up the middle or off tackle. If the DE bites on the dive, the QB takes it outside.

The key is the QB must be a threat all by himself, like Shep, Pat White, or Dennis Dixon (Oregon). I would expect LSU to run it like this (and could use Charles Scott or Mike Ford in the handoff role):

Pat White Read Option






This post was edited on 3/29/09 at 1:22 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 1:21 pm to
Mo Clay
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 1:24 pm to
RDE on that play got pwned!
Posted by Tigercat
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 1:31 pm to
I don't think you need JJ out at WR if you are going to keep Shep nearly exclusively at QB on the depth chart. Typically, the only reason you keep the QB on the field for the modern "sigle-wing" is to not tip off the D before you line up and create an extra level of anxiety for them. (Because you aren't really running any "special" personnel on or off the field.) At this stage of the game, Shep won't be playing enough positions outside of QB to keep him apart of vanilla personnel packages, for a wild-whatever he would have to be run on the field specially for the play.

So you take out JJ when we run the wild-whatever. If you want the most multi-faceted athlete on the edge, put RR.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 3/29/09 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

So you take out JJ when we run the wild-whatever. If you want the most multi-faceted athlete on the edge, put RR.



I disagree on two counts.

1- JJ is our QB, so Shep will make the field as a WR/Wild-whatever guy,

2- RR in the formation I described is too many freshman on the field at once.

Claiborne is in there because as a gifted runner with the ability to throw, he is second only to Shep on the team.
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