re: If USC & Oklahoma go undefeated, are we this year's Auburn?

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I still contend (unlike most people) that as a national champion the AP holds more weight than it did in 2003. Back then, they were a "part" of the BCS champion.

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They were not a part of the BCS champion. They were a part the BCS used to determine rankings. Maybe that is what you meant. They were as much of a disctinct and separate NC then as they are today. The BCS NC (which is only the coach's poll NC) was not splintered nor tarnished by AP having a different NC.

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Today, they simply declare their own champion

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Same as it has been since its inception

One loss LSU jumping OU?
OU schedule shows not Missouri or Colorodo=weak.

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If Ohio St/USC winner & Oklahoma go undefeated, are we out?
Nope, LSU will pass OU and (Non) Big Game Bob in that scenario for two reasons (at least):

1-LSU has the tougher schedule (on paper right now)
2-OU has really

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No way Ohio State get's left out if Ohio State and Oklahoma are the only two undefeated schools(as stated in the original post).


If Ohio State, Oklahoma AND an SEC school were to go undefeated....

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Not sure who they'd put in with that scenario.

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Beating USC would give a huge edge to the Bucks unless of course the Trojans finish the season with say 3 losses.

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Wins against UGA, UF, and the SECCG are each as impressive as USC.

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Don't forget the Sooners don't exactly have much to show for their latest BCS bowl games.

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Neither does OSU

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Neither does OSU

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Well, it's better than OUs if nothing else. We're running above .500.
Aren't they at .000?

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It was four losses in a row I was thinking of
Either way, their bowl record of 2-4 is ours switched around.

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The defending champion gets an additional measure of respect. This is simply not true
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Then, why did LSU get 3 first place votes? I agree that it shouldn't have anything to do with the rankings, but obviously it does.

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That matters a little bit in the preseason rankings, but it will not matter in November.

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Flatly, they will have played better competition out of conference than we have.

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OOC = 4 games
Conference games = 8 games (9 including CG)

8 (9) > 4

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This is a fallacy. Think of each conference's games as a tournament that produces a champion. Then, the BCS's main responsibility is to identify the two best tournament champions. The only valid means of comparison is to see who those tournament champions have defeated outside of their own tournament. Therefore, no matter how "good" the teams that an SEC Champ defeats in conference, if they haven't defeated any one out of conference, they will be ranked lower in comparison.

Another point: Florida has a much better chance in this comparison than we do. They play Florida State and Miami.

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Neither does OSU

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Ya, a 4-2 BCS record is just awful.

EDIT: With a national championship...

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S.O.S. would def. put us in. If t0SU or USC goes undefeated that means that each team would have played one tough game all year. If LSU is 12-0, 6 or more of the teams will have been ranked. Any Big-10 or Pac-10 team has an easy route in conf. play.

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It's the exact opposite. SOS will keep us out! Last year, this argument was in our favor, but this year, we will lose almost any SOS comparisons!!!

I would like to play t0SU again this year in the title game. Just so we can start the celebration before the game w/o having to worry.