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re: If Miles wins the last two, does he deserve at least one more year?

Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:34 pm to
Posted by Jizzamo311
Member since Dec 2008
6363 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:34 pm to
So you think that Miles can bring us back to championship caliber play???

If so, what leads you to believe that?

And if not, why not cut your losses and bring in new life before we get Mack Browned?
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
11843 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:36 pm to
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In 2010, LSU was a win against Auburn from winning the division until Cam Newton single handedly beat us by rushing for 200 yards and 2 TDs.


Your point? LSU still lost, and lost another game that season anyways if you recall. LSU also looked like the worst-coached, most-talented team that year. If you want to go with LSU could've won the division that year, they also could've lost to Tennessee, UF, West Virginia, and Bama and been 5-7. They needed the other teams to eff up or trick plays to survive those games.

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Think about it this way using arbitrary numbers and assuming Alabama is the preeminent program in the country since 2005:

Alabama - 1.000
Ohio St - .990
Oregon - .970
TCU - .950
LSU - .940
Florida - .940
Georgia - .910
Mizzou - .880
Auburn - .850
S Carolina - .800
etc. etc.


And how are you getting these numbers? That's clearly not winning percentages. Are they made up to try and make a point?
Posted by NoNameTiger
Mandeville, LA
Member since Nov 2015
2054 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:36 pm to
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he has next year to prove this isn't a trend at least


Well, since 2011, it has been a steady trend of mediocrity...even with the ridiculous talent in 2013.

How many years of this do you need to see before you are convinced.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:38 pm to
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So you think that Miles can bring us back to championship caliber play??? If so, what leads you to believe that?


Because I've already seen this show. 34-6 from 2005-07... followed it up with a 17-9 record. People were talking about Saban's recruits and making the Larry Coker comparisons.

Then from 2010-12, we went 34-6 again. After two lackluster seasons in 2014-15, we're poised for a strong year this year and the '14, '15, and '16 recruiting classes are shaping up to be the best of Miles's career.

Whoever is coaching the team for the next five years is walking into a gold mine.
Posted by BCS Statmaster
Member since Jan 2007
1552 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:40 pm to
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arbitrary numbers


since 2011

BAMA 5
LSU 0

The sky will not fall without Miles
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:40 pm to
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So you think that Miles can bring us back to championship caliber play???


yes

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If so, what leads you to believe that?


because he's done it before. more than once actually
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:41 pm to
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LSU still lost, and lost another game that season anyways if you recall


How many undefeated SEC Champions have there been since the 1992 realignment? Going 8-0 in conference isn't a prerequisite.

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If you want to go with LSU could've won the division that year, they also could've lost to Tennessee, UF, West Virginia, and Bama and been 5-7.


This is fricking moronic. I'm talking about one game that could have changed a #2 division ranking to #1. You're talking about four games that could have changed a 10-3 record to 5-7.

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And how are you getting these numbers? That's clearly not winning percentages. Are they made up to try and make a point?


Do you know what the term arbitrary means?
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:42 pm to
it's amazing how most you idiots were no where to be found the first 8 weeks of the season
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:43 pm to
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since 2011


Bama
v. LSU 5-0
v. aTm 3-1
v. Aub 4-1
v. Miss 3-2
v. State 5-0
v. Arky 5-0
v. Tenn 5-0

Don't act like this is a Miles problem.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
11843 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:45 pm to
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hen from 2010-12, we went 34-6 again. After two lackluster seasons in 2014-15


So your goal is to ignore 2013?

you ignore that in 2008,2009, and 2010, LSU's record improved each year based on the regular season: 7-5, 9-3, 10-2.

Since 2011, LSU has been 10-2, 9-3, and 8-4, so your trend doesn't work, but according to it, we are going the wrong direction.
Posted by BCS Statmaster
Member since Jan 2007
1552 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:47 pm to
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it's amazing how most you idiots were no where to be found the first 8 weeks of the season


I found it much more entertaining to read the Rant, than watch the last two games.
Posted by NoNameTiger
Mandeville, LA
Member since Nov 2015
2054 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:48 pm to
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You have literally stated you would rather lose to see the coach fail than win to see the program succeed.


That is not at all what I said. I would love to see Miles turn it around, win the next two games, then the bowl game and then go undefeated with a NC next year.

I have just lost all faith that this is even a possibility.

I think the best thing for the LSU long term is for Miles to move on. And if losing the next 2 makes this happen faster, so be it.

The program is sick and needs to take some tough medicine to get better.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
11843 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:50 pm to
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This is fricking moronic. I'm talking about one game that could have changed a #2 division ranking to #1. You're talking about four games that could have changed a 10-3 record to 5-7.


And anyone of those games if went the other way puts LSU tied for 3rd. Technically LSU was 3rd anyway as Arkansas was 10-2 and owned the tiebreaker on us.

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Do you know what the term arbitrary means?


Yes, you are just making up numbers to suit your argument that seem to be quite precise. It's called sarcasm buddy. Look that up.
Posted by BCS Statmaster
Member since Jan 2007
1552 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:51 pm to
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Don't act like this is a Miles problem


Miles apparently disagrees with you, but am certain you are eminently more qualified to give talking points.
Posted by zsav77
Member since Oct 2011
6149 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:51 pm to
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Whoever is coaching the team for the next five years is walking into a goldmine


Kinda like Miles did, amirite?

Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Posted by NoNameTiger
Mandeville, LA
Member since Nov 2015
2054 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:52 pm to
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it's amazing how most you idiots were no where to be found the first 8 weeks of the season


Many of us were.

I thought and said (not on this board) that we were in trouble after we Les nearly blew the game to State. And yes there have been tons of people saying similar after each lackluster win.

Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:52 pm to
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So your goal is to ignore 2013?


Not my goal. I mean to say that 2013-14 were lackluster seasons. If we end this season at 10-2 that's just fine by me.

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Since 2011, LSU has been 10-2, 9-3, and 8-4, so your trend doesn't work, but according to it, we are going the wrong direction.


My "trend" groups together 2010, 2011, and 2012. We went 9-3 in 2013 and 8-4 in 2014 amid heavy personnel losses and have rebounded nicely this year.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:55 pm to
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Yes, you are just making up numbers to suit your argument that seem to be quite precise.


It's a fricking scale based on the W/L record of programs over the last 11 years. Don't get mad just because you can't understand simple concepts.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
11843 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:57 pm to
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It's a fricking scale based on the W/L record of programs over the last 11 years. Don't get mad just because you can't understand simple concepts.


Um when anyone presents data or stats to back their argument, they should explain how the data/stats was determined. Your the moron stating numbers with absolutely nothing, not even reasoning, supporting them.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
11843 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:58 pm to
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My "trend" groups together 2010, 2011, and 2012. We went 9-3 in 2013 and 8-4 in 2014 amid heavy personnel losses and have rebounded nicely this year.


So you ignore that in one trend it was an NC year followed by an initial drop and an improving trend by record, while the other has shown the exact opposite trend?

Now the fuzzy "math" in your other post starts to make sense.
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