Started By
Message

re: If Crowton stays how will our offense get better?

Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:38 pm to
Posted by fishngrits
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
449 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:38 pm to
quote:

Judging Crowton by what Lee and Jefferson did the past couple of years is just plain stupid.



Blaming everything on the QB is just plain stupid. It's deeper than that. There was nothing positive about LSU's offense all season long. Nothing. The O-line, receivers, running game, everything was absolutely awful. That's not the players, that's coaching.
Posted by los angeles tiger
1,601 miles from Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2003
55976 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:40 pm to
quote:

There was nothing positive about LSU's offense all season long. Nothing. The O-line, receivers, running game, everything was absolutely awful. That's not the players, that's coaching.


Yep.

I remember 11 years ago people defending Tepper. Same thing is happening now with Crowton. It's not going to end well for Crowton either.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:42 pm to
Somebody told me the best HS coach they had ever been around couldnt win more than couple games a yr.
I said why?
He said b/c he avg 13 players, his oline avg a buck fifty which was also his Dline, his qb and rb swapped every other play.

His point was that coaches are obv important but at the end of the day the players are the ones who either get it done or not.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
44999 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:45 pm to
The important thing is to place responsibility where it's due.

That includes any player, the referees, the field conditions, etc. Those are statics. The starting players haven't changed from year to year, JL's & JJ's initials are so similar they don't count. We always have the same referees that just flat out hate LSU. Throw in the fact the LSU has to play in terrible conditions every game while the opposing team is allowed to play on a different field is a travesty.

These are the constants.
This post was edited on 1/3/10 at 9:52 pm
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83148 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:47 pm to
quote:

That's a HUGE part of the problem. It's just sufficient to win. I want more than just sufficient. I want a killer instinct similar to what I've seen from Meyer and Saban. We had "just sufficient" against Tech, Tulane, Miss. State, and the others as well

Oh no doubt. I agree 100%.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
44999 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:50 pm to
quote:

His point was that coaches are obv important but at the end of the day the players are the ones who either get it done or not.
Miles is too renowned as a recruiter - it's basically the only thing he does - and a former OL himself to possibly blame LSU's issues on the offensive line. This must be the changing argument thing. Les Miles, great recruiter. Les Miles, no talent on offensive line. Perfect sense.

What does Les Miles do again?

Recruit?
Coach offense?
Coach offensive line?
Coach defense?
Game preparation?
Motivation?
Game management?

Besides your just blind faith in him, please tell me what he does. If it is recruiting, then stop with the bullshite about OL and DL talent, because that would be on Miles. If he does anything else, I'd love to see how you think he's even remotely good at it. Thanks.

Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62047 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:51 pm to
quote:

the gameplan was sufficient to win




That's a HUGE part of the problem. It's just sufficient to win


There is no such thing as a dominant gameplan with zero running game and an OL that can not consistently pass protect.
Posted by los angeles tiger
1,601 miles from Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2003
55976 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:53 pm to
quote:

There is no such thing as a dominant gameplan with zero running game and an OL that can not consistently pass protect.


Well, that would be the fault of which coach again? Saban developed his lines to get them to where they are. Crowton & Miles are being given excuses.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:55 pm to
He makes descisons like hiring John Chavis.
Like firing Malveto
Like Hiring Pelini
Like Hiring F Wilson and Gonzales
and Brick Haley.

He kicks infections off the team like RP even though its gonna hurt our offense til another qb is ready.

That enough?
Posted by fishngrits
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
449 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:58 pm to
quote:

He makes descisons like hiring John Chavis.
Like firing Malveto
Like Hiring Pelini
Like Hiring F Wilson and Gonzales
and Brick Haley.

He kicks infections off the team like RP even though its gonna hurt our offense til another qb is ready.

That enough?



Wow. Some of those are really questionable decisions, (Brick Haley), or recent and unproven at LSU, (Wilson and Gonzales). Miles makes about 4 mil a year, and this is your list of his accomplishments? Firing Malveto? Seriously? He had to be poked and prodded to do that.
This post was edited on 1/3/10 at 10:00 pm
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
140708 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:58 pm to
The gameplan against Penn St was probably good, but lets not forget the conditions made them change.

Jefferson needs to have better feet, his are terrible. He also needs to probably taken into a dart room and start throwing darts, his motion is too long.

As for Sheppard, I am not sure what he is yet, I am not sure he can play QB at SEC level, but I am also sure he could run some option.
Posted by Kirk Herbstreit
in the outhouse
Member since Jan 2005
6172 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:59 pm to
You forgot playing the best players, oh wait, nevermind.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
44999 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:00 pm to
quote:

He makes descisons like hiring John Chavis.
Okay. Why is that?
quote:

Like firing Malveto
You mean hiring Malveto or promoting Malveto. Nice.
quote:

Like Hiring Pelini
Granted.
quote:

Like Hiring F Wilson and Gonzales
You mean forced to hire them because one of his current coaches was paying players? and is still on LSU's payroll? Excellent.
quote:

and Brick Haley.
8 sacks by the DL this year and got a pay raise. Sweet.
quote:

He kicks infections off the team like RP even though its gonna hurt our offense til another qb is ready.
You mean the RP that was Les Miles star recruit and had issues throughout his career at LSU? The RP that had more suspensions from the team than games started? And took Les over a year of infractions to actually give him the boot.

Excellent points.
This post was edited on 1/3/10 at 10:03 pm
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
Orlando, Florida
Member since Jan 2007
30067 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:01 pm to
quote:

With a month to prepare for the Penn State game our offense turned in one of it's worst performances of the season. Can anyone point to anything that can give me hope that Crowton can improve offense going into next year?


.......on the positive side it can't look much worse then it did this season.
Posted by Purple Forever
Someplace Special on the Bayou
Member since Aug 2008
829 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:01 pm to
Crowton is one major part of the scenario.
We must also get better at QB. We cant use the same old excuse of being young. This will be the third season he has played in. Time management must be mastered by players and coaches. We can do better on the field and the sideline.
I expect the offense to be better next season, if for no other reason than it was terrible this season and it cant hardly get worse.
Posted by LSUownsSEC
OutOfTheArea
Member since May 2008
3178 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:03 pm to
quote:

You mean the RP that was Les Miles star recruit and had issues throughout his career at LSU? The RP that had more suspensions from the team than games started? And took Les over a year of infractions to actually give him the boot.


yep, he had the want to do it, but it took him, uh, uh too much time.
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
140708 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:05 pm to
Plus who knows how good the offense is with the top rb playing a whole season. When you are down to your 4th TB you have to adjust. LSU talent level didnt allow for that. There was a reason Ridley was so far down on depth chart. You dont replace RB's QB's or whatever without making some major changes.
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
15354 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:06 pm to
Um...no?
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:08 pm to
quote:

drizztiger


what is your point here?
Unlike you I dont pretend to know what goes on behind the scenes with LSU football coaching.
I dont understand what answer you are looking for.
quote:

Okay. Why is that?

Why is not the point, a change needed to be made and he made it.
quote:

You mean forced to hire them because one was paying players? and is still on LSU's payroll? Excellent.

he wasnt FORCED to hire shite..
and as far Mcarthy goes you nor I know the whole story behind that... yeah LM really has the rep of defending actions/coaches that could potentially bring everything down.
quote:

8 sacks by the DL this year and got a pay raise. Sweet.

Maybe we could get Pete to come back then???... one would think that hiring a pro coach from CHicago Bears would be a plus.. just a thought.
quote:

You mean the RP that was Les Miles star recruit and had issues throughout his career at LSU? The RP that had more suspensions from the team than games started? And took Les over a year of infractions to actually give him the boot.

As if LM didnt know what not having RP would most likely mean,,, Its a tough decision he made that was for the better of the team.
Posted by DaSaltyTiger
Alexandria/Pineville, LA area
Member since Dec 2004
4689 posts
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:16 pm to
It won't get any better ...
first pageprev pagePage 2 of 3Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on X, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookXInstagram