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re: I understand why O went for the field goal...
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:25 pm to Tiger Ree
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:25 pm to Tiger Ree
quote:THAT outcome was actually somewhat likely.
I figured the worst possible outcome at that time was OT.
In their prior 4 drives, ND had run 11, 11, 5 and 10 plays. The 5 play drive being with a short field.
The 11, 11 and the 10 were all good enough to have ended up in FG range from normal post-kickoff position.
Kicking the FG basically acquiesced to AT LEAST OT which is exactly where you probably end up if you just leave the fricking ball on the 1 foot line.
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:26 pm to Tiger Ree
quote:
on the 1 foot line while tied and looking at OT.........starts slinging that bitch around
It was fourth down. They started with 1st and goal.
Um, read better.
I'm saying that if we failed and ND got the ball on the 1 foot line, and the game tied........they ain't going to be going balls to the wall.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:26 pm to Tiger Ree
quote:
t was fourth down. They started with 1st and goal.
he is saying if we had been stuffed with 2 minutes to go ND would have been more inclined to run the ball out of the endzone and use clock instead of being down 3 and having to score to extend/win the game
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:26 pm to Topwater Trout
Yea yea, tell us more "coach"
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:27 pm to Alt26
quote:
Hindsight is 20/20
I keep reading this from some of you, but if you didn’t think for a second what ND was about to do then you haven’t watched this team the last few years.
If LS fricking U doesn’t have a play or the players to line up, get a good push, and carry the ball 6 inches!!!! Then I vote shut the whole fricking program down & save the money.
Kick a fricking FG in that situation, give me a break. Your “hindsight” might be 20/20 but blind man can tell we deserved to lose the way the played and coached the entire game, pathetic, and not real sure it will be better any time soon.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:28 pm to TGFN57
quote:
Yea yea, tell us more "coach"
WTF?
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:29 pm to saint tiger225
quote:
Your DC blows it
quote:
Man, you O snobs are just a bunch of idiots.
I'm not an O apologist, but the defense DID blow it. It may be a statistical outlier, but the defense did give up a long drive with under 2 minutes remaining that cost us the game (or however long it was). The guy in charge of the defense is accountable for that.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:30 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
ND got the ball on the 1 foot line, and the game tied........they ain't going to be going balls to the wall.
Maybe, maybe not. You don't know what they would have done. All they would have needed was a FG from a guy who hadn't missed kicking two of over 45 yards and one damn near 50.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:30 pm to Topwater Trout
It was easy as 4 and out to win.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:32 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:
he is saying if we had been stuffed with 2 minutes to go ND would have been more inclined to run the ball out of the endzone and use clock instead of being down 3 and having to score to extend/win the game
Yup.
Hence, my prior post on odds.
If we failed, you basically are going to OT because there's the risk reward for ND at that point would not justify what it would take to get in FG position. At least, it would be low likelihood.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:34 pm to KC Tiger
quote:
I'm not an O apologist, but the defense DID blow it. It may be a statistical outlier, but the defense did give up a long drive with under 2 minutes remaining that cost us the gam
Well ya know. They pay the HC to be aware of shite like the fact the last 4 times ND had the ball, they moved it well. And, shite like, "hey, maybe that's related to my defense not being full strength.
Then, realizing. Hmm. If all I do is kick a FG, ND is going to get the ball in decent field position but if I fail at a TD, those frickers are gonna be on the 1 foot line.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:34 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Also, could you imagine this place if O passes on the go-ahead FG from inside the ND one, fails to score on 4th down and ND wins late with a FG? This place would have been apoplectic! The mantra would have been you NEVER pass up points to take a lead late in a tie game
both stances have valid points. i jjst think the backlash of getting stuffed and ND winning via fg would be much more harsh and widespread.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:35 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:
ND would have been more inclined to run the ball out of the endzone and use clock
I get what he is saying, but how does he know this? Say they did run it twice and got away from the EZ. It would have business as usual for them at that point anyway.
This is like arguing coaching moves in a baseball game. Hindsight always helps in making decisions. During the game hindsight does not exist.
Anyway, I am bowing out of this one. People have differing opinions of what should have been called and those opinions are not going to change.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:37 pm to Southcoast
Wildcat run with Darryl Williams was the way to go.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:37 pm to Tiger Ree
quote:Well, if you run it twice. Hell, let's say you run it twice and get it to the 25 yard line.
I get what he is saying, but how does he know this? Say they did run it twice and got away from the EZ. It would have business as usual for them at that point anyway.
You did one of two things when you ran it twice. You burned a LOT of time or, you burned time outs.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:39 pm to Tiger Ree
quote:
Maybe, maybe not. You don't know what they would have done. All they would have needed was a FG from a guy who hadn't missed kicking two of over 45 yards and one damn near 50.
Average amount of points gained from drives beginning at the 1 yard line is under 1.5. So a FG is not close to likely at that distance.
Good coaches know things like that.
You can always say "what if" but the better question is "what's most likely to happen?"
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:40 pm to Southcoast
I don't get this. Everyone who is saying we should have ran it is using the worst case scenario as if it was the best case.
If we score a TD, Notre Dame still drives down and scores a TD. Now whether they go for 2 or win in OT, what is the difference?
If we get stopped, yes it takes them longer to score, but they had 2 timeouts. No reason to believe they don't get into field goal range in 2 minutes.
And for the poster who wanted to pass: Yeah, you guys would have been cool with an incompletion of 4th and inches. Sure....
If we score a TD, Notre Dame still drives down and scores a TD. Now whether they go for 2 or win in OT, what is the difference?
If we get stopped, yes it takes them longer to score, but they had 2 timeouts. No reason to believe they don't get into field goal range in 2 minutes.
And for the poster who wanted to pass: Yeah, you guys would have been cool with an incompletion of 4th and inches. Sure....
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:41 pm to nola000
quote:We had literally lost yardage on two sneaks this year.
IT
WAS
LITERALLY
AN
INCH.
Ever seen a blown center exchange, a fumble reaching it out, or a failed dive, or a failed sneak. I have. I had seen one that game.
I am as far from an O apologist as one can be, but there was nothing wrong with our coaching decisions on the last plays of that game.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:41 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
If we score a TD, Notre Dame still drives down and scores a TD. Now whether they go for 2 or win in OT, what is the difference?
We don't lose on a busted coverage.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 2:42 pm to mmcgrath
quote:You are treating this as if one would expect the same offense to be run by ND if they got the ball on the 1 foot line while TIED vs getting the ball on the 27.
If we get stopped, yes it takes them longer to score, but they had 2 timeouts. No reason to believe they don't get into field goal range in 2 minutes.
That's silly and I would hope every person who has ever watched football knows it.
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