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re: I just want to say one thing from an OM perspective....
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:36 pm to magildachunks
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:36 pm to magildachunks
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But Miles needs to stay. He is the program. And he brings in the recruits.
How could you eff up your entire post with this. You almost had everybody.
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:44 pm to lilwhirly2
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How could you eff up your entire post with this. You almost had everybody.
cause it's true. Take Florida for example: throughout their history, Florida was a mediocre program on par with Kentucky. They bring in Spurrier, who brought in recruits, built the program into a national power, then left. They got Ron Zook, and their fans said it didn't matter because the program sold itself. Well, Zook didn't bring in the recruits. The program didn't bring in recruits. They began to go to Auburn, Georgia, and LSU. Florida nearly fell back into Kentucky status. Wthey didn't fall as far as Nebraska, but they came close. Then they realized, the program doesn't sell itself, it needs a face. They brought in Meyer, and he brought in the recruits. He is the program to these kids.
Same with Miles. He brings in the recruits. "He is the face of this program, therefore the program itself to these kids. You want to risk getting rid of him, and banking on LSU getting another great recruiter? History shows it probsably will blow up in our faces.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:48 pm to magildachunks
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Ron Zook, and their fans said it didn't matter because the program sold itself. Well, Zook didn't bring in the recruits. The program didn't bring in recruits.
Another clueless poster.
Zook recruited fine. He just couldn't coach.
Enter a strong AD in Foley that fires Zook after 3 winning seasons and hires Urban Meyer.
Some of you guys should just STFU. You have no clue. None.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:49 pm to magildachunks
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No it doesn't. Miami thought the same thing. So did Notre Dame, Nebraska, Washington, Syracuse, and every other historical power. The schools do not recruit themselves, and to believe so is just pure delusion. USC in the 90's did not recruit itself. Michigan, the winningest program in history, cannot recruit itself.
Players care less about the school, and more about the coach. Recruits like Miles, so do their parents. HE brings them in, not the program, the school, facilities, etc. Those are just bargaining chips. And I can guarantee you, the fans sure aren't bringing them in.
wisdom.
-Rob
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:50 pm to magildachunks
Again, the point that he was trying to make is that LSU will always get top recruits. We've proven in the past (and present) that you can still lose with top recruits. We will always get top recruits no matter who coaches. What makes the program is the coach that can win with the top recruits. No one is arguing this. Zook acually recruited well in Florida. His problem is that he can't coach. Even Curly Hallman had good recruiting classes and no one is accusing him of being a good coach. This only further proves the point that we will get top 10 classes with any coach. We need to focus on finding a coach that can develop the talent. If you think Miles is the man for the job then you are as blind as dandydon.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:58 pm to lilwhirly2
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Again, the point that he was trying to make is that LSU will always get top recruits. We've proven in the past (and present) that you can still lose with top recruits. We will always get top recruits no matter who coaches. What makes the program is the coach that can win with the top recruits. No one is arguing this. Zook acually recruited well in Florida. His problem is that he can't coach. Even Curly Hallman had good recruiting classes and no one is accusing him of being a good coach. This only further proves the point that we will get top 10 classes with any coach. We need to focus on finding a coach that can develop the talent. If you think Miles is the man for the job then you are as blind as dandydon.
No it won't. You have this belief that LSU is a great stopping point for players based on the University and program itself. It's not. Look at the nineties, we lost every great prospect in the state. Sure, we got one or two, but the elite went to Florida State, Miami, Michigan, Auburn, Bama, and Florida. They went out of state.
Miles keeps the majority at home, and even manages to raid other states for top recruits. Saban did the same. It wasn't the program that did it, but the coach. And Zook got good talent, but not great talent. He had a few great players, but not a team of great players. Few coaches can manage to accomplish that feat: Carrol(though he is just as successful as Miles in a weaker conference, and many fans would love to have him), Saban, Brown, Meyer, and (hard for some to believe, I know) Miles.
Weis can;t do it, Paterno does it every now and then, Tuberville did for a while, Bowden hasn't in years, etc., etc.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:02 pm to SJTiger
FYI to this ignorant Ole Miss fan...you can't honestly tell me that yall even close to deserved that win...we should have put it away ages before the last 4 mins. PLUS any one of about 5 different things happen and LSU still comes away with a W. You should send Les Miles a personal thank you note. 
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:02 pm to Jason9782003
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This what LSU fans thought about LSU when they fired Charlie Mac. Anyone can win 8-9 games at LSU. Yeah, how did that firing work out for LSU until they hired Arnsparger. Then LSU had another long drought until they hired Saban.
Well, an aboslutely horrible coach, Jerry Stovall took LSU to The Orange Bowl before he was exposed.
Even Gerry Dinardo won with LSU's talent.
LSU turned Saban into a national figure.
Yes, it's just about true, just about anyone can win 809 games at LSU, until they get exposed.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:04 pm to Cameron Cooke
and to even suggest that Miles is capable of championships is asinine. I'm not even gunna lie...although we were the best team in 2007, WE GOT LUCKY, like extremely. AND to make things better Miles won with Saban's recruits....lol 
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:04 pm to Cameron Cooke
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FYI to this ignorant Ole Miss fan...you can't honestly tell me that yall even close to deserved that win...we should have put it away ages before the last 4 mins. PLUS any one of about 5 different things happen and LSU still comes away with a W. You should send Les Miles a personal thank you note.
They did deserve to win. Jefferson almost handed you the win with the pick six earlier in the game, lucked out on a ticky-tack block in the back call, and then came back and handed it to you with a sack to take them out of field goal range. He deserves more blame than the coaches. He should know better than to take a sack in that situation. He's played long enough.
This post was edited on 11/23/09 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:09 pm to magildachunks
I don't deny that some of our great recruits went out of state, but to discount the entire decade would be wrong. We had some great classes in the 90's despite having terrible coaches (again with the exception of the great one). Throw Paterno and Bowden completely out of the discussion (I mean, really?). I don't believe Tuberville has ever coached at a Flagship school that can claim it recruited itself, so lets throw him out too. What do we have left? A bunch of coaches at schools that do actually recruit themselves (Brown, Meyer, Saban, and Carroll). What these guys have been able to do is develop the talent that they were able to recruit in their talent rich states. Louisiana is a talent rich state that Miles has failed to develop.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:18 pm to lilwhirly2
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I don't believe Tuberville has ever coached at a Flagship school that can claim it recruited itself, so lets throw him out too.
Doesn't matter, Auburn fans believed it. Just like you believe it about LSU. So it's relevant.
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A bunch of coaches at schools that do actually recruit themselves (Brown, Meyer, Saban, and Carroll).
Already discussed this in my first post: Florida did not recruit itself for it's entire history, and cannot do so now. Meyer recruits For Florida. He brings them in, not the school or program. USC couldn't recruit itself in the 90's, and didn't get the great recruits until Carrol came in (and, again, he is just as successful as Miles in a weaker conference, yet gets more praise and hardly any criticism for his yearly letdowns), Saban brought recruits to LSU, and is bringing them to Bama, not the schools as they didn't come till he got to both. Again, its the coach that brings them in, not the school or program. Miles can bring them in. Don't believe for a second that getting rid of him will keep the recruits coming. It will most likely backfire and we follow the Nebraska route.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:28 pm to magildachunks
You may have a point with the Florida comment because they compete with other top instate schools, however the Auburn point is wrong. I'm not suggesting that because fans believe it makes it so. I'm suggesting that Flagship schools bring in recruits and its up to the coach to develop the talent. You keep bring up teams that have had losing seasons, but you neglect to mention that those teams DID have talent. Mike Shula had Bama ranked preseason #3. Why? Because he had talent. Talent gravitates towards schools like Bama because of who they are. Just like Notre Dame has been able to bring in top 5 classes the past 5 years. This can't be denied. Weiss like Miles can't develop it. Don't drag a no talent state like Nebraska into the discussion.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:42 pm to lilwhirly2
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I'm suggesting that Flagship schools bring in recruits and its up to the coach to develop the talent.
Not True. Texas A&M is considered a flagship school, but not bringing in the talent. Michigan is a flag ship school and not bringing in the talent. UCLA is a flagsip school, and is just now starting to bring in talent again, why? they got a coach players like. Will they be able to compete with USC? don't know yet, but I do know the school wasn't bringing them in.
Granted, location and campus and other factors play a part in recruiting and pushing the recruit towards the school (as I've stated), but the biggest factor is the coach. They have to want to play for the coach, not the location, facilities, or any other factor in order to bring them in. He's the most important part of the equation. And players want to play for Miles. Perilloux (I know, he didn't pan out) was the biggest recruit in his year, and he was going to play for Brown instead of Saban, because of the coach, not the school. Saban leaves, Miles comes in, and Perilloux decides he will play for Miles instead of Brown. That's a good casestudy right there.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:49 pm to Cameron Cooke
quote:You have a problem here.
and to even suggest that Miles is capable of championships is asinine. I'm not even gunna lie...although we were the best team in 2007, WE GOT LUCKY, like extremely.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:50 pm to AlxTgr
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and to even suggest that Miles is capable of championships is asinine. I'm not even gunna lie...although we were the best team in 2007, WE GOT LUCKY, like extremely.
You have a problem here.
Let him go, he's on a roll. Like extremely.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:52 pm to SJTiger
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Players have been coming for LSU not Les Miles
bullshite
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:54 pm to wildrebeltime
Dear God....it's worse than I thought. We're now getting advice about our football program from an Ole Miss fan....and LSU fans are actually taking it seriously. this is worse than I could have ever imagined.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:55 pm to magildachunks
There can be only one flagship school in any state. Why else would they call it the flagship? I don't disagree that A&M and UCLA are elite schools, but my point revolve around a school being the chief school of the state. Michigan finished 2009 with the 10th ranked recruiting class and 2008 with the 13th ranked class. I'd say that the recruits are still going there. Perilloux chose to play for Miles because he gravitated to the flagship school of his state. Too bad for Michigan, Notre Dame, and LSU as of late that their coaches haven't been able to develop their talent like Alabama and Texas. These are flagship schools that have taken advantage of their flagship status, recruited well, and developed talent.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:55 pm to magildachunks
There can be only one flagship school in any state. Why else would they call it the flagship? I don't disagree that A&M and UCLA are elite schools, but my point revolve around a school being the chief school of the state. Michigan finished 2009 with the 10th ranked recruiting class and 2008 with the 13th ranked class. I'd say that the recruits are still going there. Perilloux chose to play for Miles because he gravitated to the flagship school of his state. Too bad for Michigan, Notre Dame, and LSU as of late that their coaches haven't been able to develop their talent like Alabama and Texas. These are flagship schools that have taken advantage of their flagship status, recruited well, and developed talent.
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