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re: I Just Don’t Understand How They Missed The First Targeting On Burrow

Posted on 1/3/19 at 7:37 am to
Posted by SOL
Garland, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2950 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 7:37 am to
they could have called it either way. most refs call it if its close. this ref was not one of those. 2 out of 3 would have called it
Posted by LSUTitan
Covington La
Member since Sep 2018
206 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 7:45 am to
I'm with you 3rd Part..I thought that was the whole intention of the rule.
Posted by DrD
Houston
Member since Jan 2010
2688 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 7:46 am to
I took a guy out in Jr. high football game many years ago in similar fashion. Got high fives from everyone. I was so mad at myself for nearly killing the guy I quit football. Glad the guy survived for sure. Would have haunted me to this day. There's no place in the game for that kind of cheap shot. Should have been a personal foul IMHO. I felt good at the time and my adrenaline was off the charts. However, I do give the guy for UCF credit for not "targeting" Burrow. He definitely had the opportunity and those don't come around too often when you can take out the other team's star QB. Would have probably changed the outcome of the game had Burrow been unable to return. Mixed thoughts on that play. We would be talking a lot more about it had Burrow been sidelined the rest of the game AND we lost. Probably woke Burrow up! LOL

Posted by StarkvilleTigerFan
Muncie, IN
Member since Jan 2005
3956 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 7:54 am to
Well-I feel it was a cheap shot and he did all he could legally to take our QB out...but all he did was piss him off to the tune of 4 td passes and offensive MVP honors....
Posted by jtran1988
Corndog U
Member since Oct 2008
5470 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 7:55 am to
Refs must have missed the clear laceration on Burrows chin after that dirty. UCF player and fans can frick right off.
Posted by honeybadger07
The Woodlands
Member since Jul 2015
3263 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:06 am to
Blindside block to a QB during a change in possession is by definition of the rule targeting, doesn’t have to be helmet to helmet. STFU
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12069 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:08 am to
Targeting is a stupid rule. I don't complain when its not called on either team.
Posted by taf
Kansas City, KS
Member since Dec 2003
778 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:10 am to
quote:

Sorry but it was targeting.


Yeah. I'm with you. I don't understand the argument by some posters to make it seem legal.
This is the type of play the rule was designed to stop! It's one of the examples used in the rule!

Perhaps by the old rules, it was legal. But by the new rule it was without question targeting. It doesn't matter that he also hit Burrow's shoulder pads. He launched himself and hit Burrow (by definition in the rule a defenseless player) with the crown of his helmet beneath his chin (i.e., the head and neck area). That's why Burrow head snaps away from the defender.

It was illegal. 91 should have been ejected. No touchdown. First and 10, Tigers.

Also, add in the 15 yards for pass interference. (DB grabbed Dillon's jersey and yanked him on the break.)

Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
54434 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:39 am to
I love all the "hardcore" Tiger fans coming to this thread to show their ignorance of the rules while calling anyone who saw the obvious a pussy.

This one play was a textbook example of either blatant incompetent officiating, or corruption. Could be both.

In one play, these refs missed the following:

Obvious Defensive PI
Obvious target of a defenseless player (read the rules idiots. A QB on a COP is a defenseless player. LSU had a player ejected at Auburn two years ago for the EXACT SAME THING)
Not one, but TWO obvious unsportsmanlike penalties.

IF this play is called correctly, it would have been first and goal for LSU with the score still 7-3. Why? Because PI would have been 15 yards, the unsportsmanlike would have been another, and then two taunting penalties AFTER the play. Should have been THREE 15-yard penalties marked off against them (would have been half the distance).

But nope.

It would be nice if fans would read the damn rules before coming in here to white knight for incompetent/corrupt officials.
Posted by SadUCFKnight
Member since Jun 2008
2655 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:50 am to
It was a clean hit and he got fricked up. Keep your head on a swivel. Good response by him in return.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
54434 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:53 am to
quote:

It was a clean hit and he got fricked up


Another genius that hasn't read the rules linked in the thread.

That's right tough guy, "Keep Your Head On A Swivel!!"

Reeeeeeeee
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
70733 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:01 am to
quote:

Cause it wasn’t targeting. Got hit in the shoulder! Was it a crappy hit absolutely but if that would have been devin white you would be on here post a gif of the hit and how it was such a textbook hit


On the White replay I never saw the QB's helmet move like it was hit nor did I see it hit.

On Joes's hit one replay showed his helmet move and I saw it hit.

We saw different replays I guess.
Posted by canyon
MM23
Member since Dec 2003
20490 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:02 am to
Yeah. Pretty much our guys think your guys are a bunch of pussies.
But keep trolling, fool.
Posted by 1badboy
In space
Member since Jul 2014
8103 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:03 am to
It was easy to tell which team the ref.,s had their money on ! If u don't think Borrow was targeted u are a DUMB arse & probably did not watch the game!
Posted by d6k
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2005
1491 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:06 am to
No matter what anyone tries to argue, it's targeting by the definition as was linked in earlier post...Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14) says hitting a QB anytime after a change of possession. It may be a stupid rule but for this CFB season it's stated in print and should be upheld with the rest of the rule book. I don't care if the QB was going after the ball carrier, again the rule is dumb, but it's the rule.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
21435 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:08 am to
quote:

He also launched himself. In the replay u can see he launched himself upwards into Burrow.

Which is specifically stated in the rule as a targeting violation



This is correct IF the contact is made to the head/neck area. That is the issue at hand, the officials apparently did not see the contact as being to the head/neck.

My problem is that while head/neck was the secondary contact, it has been called all year, particularly when the QB is in or finishing his throwing motion. Devin white hit is a perfect example.

This should be technically no different than that situation. In both scenarios, the QB is by definition defenseless, so the hit is what we are looking at for targeting.

Roughing the passer, on the other hand, has more leeway because it has the caveat that any force that is more than necessary constitutes roughing. The QB has to be in the act or finishing the act of throwing.

Regardless of how this affected LSU this season, there is an inherent lack of consistency within the 15 yard rules. They need to incorporate intent and wrecklessness into the scope of what constitutes an ejection.

The block on Burrow was exactly why this rule, and the concept of a defenseless player, was put into place. The blocker could have taken burrow out of the play simply by standing in front of him, much less giving him a hard shove that still would have sent a message. Are we trying to keep players safe? Or just direct hits to their heads safe?
Posted by setinways12
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
989 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:16 am to
quote:

No, it doesn't. You can argue the incidental helmet to chin contact, but the initial hit is to Burrow's right arm pit.


The "incidental" part cannot be used as an argument. But, but, Mascona said that Devin White's helmet hit NF's helmet so by the letter of the law it was targeting.... and this was much more violent and more along the lines of protecting a defenseless player.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 9:18 am
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
54434 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:21 am to
quote:

The block on Burrow was exactly why this rule, and the concept of a defenseless player, was put into place. The blocker could have taken burrow out of the play simply by standing in front of him, much less giving him a hard shove that still would have sent a message. Are we trying to keep players safe? Or just direct hits to their heads safe?


This, IMO, is why the NFL is MUCH better product now than CFB.

CFB is making it clear player safety is only a concern if you play for one of the brand teams. If you play for a brand team, you are also allowed free reign to destroy your opponent.

I didn't watch Bama/OU, but there was a Bama fan that posted a GIF of Bama getting away with ANOTHER blatant target on the QB for OU. This was the effing Heisman winner, and CFB didn't care to "protect" him. Why? Well, you know the answer.

Quack Quack, MF.

Imagine Brady or Brees throwing a pick in the NFL and a player doing this to them. Not only would the refs call the flag, that player would be ejected, likely suspended a game (depending on past transgressions) and fined.

NCAA? Well, depending on what team you play for, you may be rewarded with constant replays on Sportcenter for your great illegal hit.

NCAA Football is slowly becoming WWE. That game Tuesday was getting out of hand fast with the dirty hits and smack talking. For a while there, I thought the refs wanted that in order to help drive ratings. God knows that stadium was empty.
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
55383 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:24 am to
Clean shot on a player trying to make a tackle. Hell of a block. It woke up the team
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 9:24 am
Posted by mikedatyger
Orlandeaux, FL
Member since Jun 2005
4149 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:24 am to
quote:

he launched himself into Burrow using the crown of his helmet

No, if you look at the video, he led with his shoulder. It was a football play. Joe got lit up. I hate it. Not sure what the definition of "launching" is, and I don't think the refs do either.

As has been said, it's a bad rule that needs to be changed.
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