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re: I have never seen a QB as scared to get hit as J Lee

Posted on 9/10/11 at 12:35 am to
Posted by Longfellow
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 9/10/11 at 12:35 am to
2008, his last few games before the ankle injury, especially that Ole Miss game.
Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31564 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 12:43 am to
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2008


There we go.

I'm not out to rub your nose in anything, so don't misunderstand.

But that was 3 years ago. Come on.
This post was edited on 9/10/11 at 12:44 am
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 12:47 am to
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I'm not out to rub your nose in anything, so don't misunderstand.

But that was 3 years ago. Come on.

For most of these douchebags, 2008 was the last time they got laid, so they are fixated on it.
Posted by Longfellow
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
341 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 12:49 am to
Yeah, it was 3 years ago. And he's played well in several games since then. But in my opinion, one of his weaknesses - at least before the Oregon game - was what seemed like being too worried about getting hit. That Ole Miss game was painful to watch, much less actually experience. I'm not saying he's a shitty QB because of it, or even that he's the scaredest QB I've ever seen or whatver. I'm just saying I hope he has been able to put that behind him.

Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 9/10/11 at 12:51 am to
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/10/11 at 1:26 am to
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Look I do not want to pick the guy apart. But it does look like he needs to toughen up a bit. He seems able to read the D and make the throws, if he can focus more on the throw and less on the pressure I think he can be a very good qb for the Tigers. I am pulling for him to do so.


Isn't it a little presumptuous on your part to arrive at the " toughen up " conclusion. It implies that you are a QB coach as well as have comprehensive knowledge of OL/WR and multiple plays to understand the interaction and situation the QB was put in.

I choose presumption because the other option is to call it an unreasonable and illogical analysis based on little no knowledge of the gestalt of the QB/WR/Coaching parts.
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10651 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 1:35 am to
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I choose presumption because the other option is to call it an unreasonable and illogical analysis based on little no knowledge of the gestalt of the QB/WR/Coaching parts.


well then we might as well shut this board down?

i have watched other qb's and notice something different about this one. he seems hesitant to take a hit at times. i may be wrong, he may simply have a desire to skip hop and dance after his throws hoping to become the next big thing on dancing with the stars, since i am not a dance coach or a qb coach i would not have a clue.

i also do not have a clue why some can not be objective when it comes to the qb play of jj and jl. seems as though if you have anything less than praise to say about them someone will think you are hating on them. can you just be objective and note that neither of these guys are great qb's?
Posted by Jarrt476
Member since Sep 2010
107 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 1:43 am to
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novabill
amen dude, nobody wants to see them do terrible, but the fact of the matter is they just aren't that great, with that aside hood luck to them
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10651 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 1:45 am to
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with that aside hood luck to them

agreed
Posted by skinny domino
sebr
Member since Feb 2007
14440 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 1:47 am to
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I have never seen a QB as scared to get hit as J Lee
Most drop back qb's are coached from high school forward to avoid contact.
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
13533 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 1:50 am to
Yes, but not by falling back or running backwards while releasing the ball
This post was edited on 9/10/11 at 1:53 am
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
13533 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 1:52 am to
quote:

i also do not have a clue why some can not be objective when it comes to the qb play of jj and jl. seems as though if you have anything less than praise to say about them someone will think you are hating on them. can you just be objective and note that neither of these guys are great qb's?




Thank You!!
Posted by BillF
New York, New York
Member since Jan 2006
5752 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 2:08 am to
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quote:


anyone that doesn't see that fear is still Lee's biggest hurdle to being a good and maybe even a great college QB isn't paying attention.


I'm re-quoting for effect. This is exactly the point I was trying to make.


No one ever wants to say this, but it's the truth. I played QB in high school and college, and believe me, I never "wanted" to get hit. No QB does, but it's just an occupational hazard.

I like Lee and believe he could be a very, very good QB....better than any of us might think...if he can over come his timidness about contact. It's why the ball comes out too soon sometimes and the reason you can see him recoil at times after the throw, as though he's trying to protect himself even when the rush isn't there.

I'm not saying he's "scared," exactly, but he doesn't want to stand in there and step toward his target, He took a couple of pops the other night, but the pass rusher got to him before he had a chance.

I'm not trying to run him down. I really, really like him and want him to succeed. If he can lick the problem, he can be lights out. Just gotta make up his mind to do it. If he does, people will be singing his praises for the job he does, because he's a talented passer.
Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Member since Jul 2011
31594 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 2:24 am to
Granted this is a forum, it's disheartening to see all the haters come on here and NOT support a team that truly has a shot at the BCSC.

Fuc* all you haters. Win WITH us or lose TO us. If you are not supporting the Tigers, go join an Alabama message board.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 2:49 am to
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Yeah, I'm the idiot. Nice job.


Yes, you are an idiot. It's good that you can acknowledge your limitations. Actually, since you've demonstrated you can differentiate between you're versus your, it is possible you're higher on the intelligence scale.

Moron > Imbecile > Idiot

My guess would be that you fall in the imbecile range
although your assertion about Lee's moxie and toughness is idiotic. That young man has demonstrated his toughness numerous times.

Folks have always said Peyton Manning had "happy feet" in the pocket inferring he was scared. That's laughable.

You're laughable as well.
Posted by BillF
New York, New York
Member since Jan 2006
5752 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 2:49 am to
I haven't seen any haters or any people who don't support the Tigers, though I didn't read every post. That's like saying if you're critical of some of the actions of the president, you don't support America.

I like Lee a lot. Talented guy who is a pure passer, but all QB's have flaws. If he overcomes this, I have no doubt he can lead us to a national championship. He honestly could be that good.
Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Member since Jul 2011
31594 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:07 am to
Why are we coming on here to nit-pick the small potential flaws of OUR quarterback who has endured so much scrutiny from fans and ESPN analysts on live TV? Support your tigers!!!

quote:

If he overcomes this, I have no doubt he can lead us to a national championship.


Agree. That can be said for most NCAAF QB's.

This post was edited on 9/10/11 at 3:08 am
Posted by BillF
New York, New York
Member since Jan 2006
5752 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:17 am to
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quote:


If he overcomes this, I have no doubt he can lead us to a national championship.




Agree. That can be said for most NCAAF QB's


No, it really can't. It's not quite as easy as a lot of folks think.
Posted by Roaad
White Privilege Broker
Member since Aug 2006
79424 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:26 am to
To hell with fumble piles.

I demand our starting qb be the lead blocker on running plays.
Posted by offdacorner
Member since Feb 2009
1853 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:34 am to
This thread is eerily similar to the many other threads that were started in which people came out of the woodwork to nitpick at Jordan Jefferson after LSU beat Ga Tech and Texas A&M.

Instead of being happy about the win, people started threads just complain about everything JJ did--from his missing throws to his facial expressions. Once again, this occurred after bowl wins.

I guess what I'm saying is hey, we just beat the number 3 team in the country on a national stage--what good will it do to nitpick him?

JL is who he is--and the Tigers have to rally around him if they have aspirations about winning the SEC and/or National Championship.

Don't give into the mob mentality and start attacking him unnecessarily. Mind you, critiquing his performance is one thing, but this comes off as an attack.
This post was edited on 9/10/11 at 4:11 am
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