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re: I guess Matt Flynn was better than JaMarcus Russell after all
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:17 am to Tha Truth
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:17 am to Tha Truth
I don't think Jamarcus ever had to work hard to overcome adversity in his football life, where Flyy playing behind JR did. Everything came pretty easy for a guy with such an arm as he had so when it came to having to up his game in being a real student of the game and working hard to improve he really didn't have any life experiences to draw from. Just my take on it. For all I know his heart never really was in it. Dunno.
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:18 am to Tha Truth
quote:Going to the Raiders, a perennial losing squad with a bad coach and an even worse owner, is what killed it. JR coming out early was a bad decision because he knew he would go to Oakland, and just taking the money over staying in school, getting another year of experience (which it turns out he sorely needed), and getting drafted by a better NFL team would have been the right decision.
Not defending him for it, but I think being drafted #1 and getting 31M guaranteed is what actually killed his work ethic.
But he was being mentored by his Uncle and some other characters who were not good decision makers for him.
This post was edited on 1/2/12 at 9:18 am
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:22 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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But he was being mentored by his Uncle and some other characters who were not good decision makers for him.
If I remember correctly, his uncle was one of the positive influences on his life, keeping the dregs at bay. But shortly after his junior season his uncle passed away, and then everything fell to shite.
Doesn't change the fact that he was better than Flynn in college though.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:25 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Going to the Raiders, a perennial losing squad with a bad coach and an even worse owner, is what killed it. JR coming out early was a bad decision because he knew he would go to Oakland, and just taking the money over staying in school, getting another year of experience (which it turns out he sorely needed), and getting drafted by a better NFL team would have been the right decision.
But he was being mentored by his Uncle and some other characters who were not good decision makers for him.
Every first pick goes to the worst team in the league. They didn't hold a gun to his head and make him eat cotton candy and drink syzurp. At some point your destiny falls on your shoulders. It may not have been the best environment for winning but he could control his study and work habits and he could still be in the league. This bullshite about if he had went to another team is exactly that- bullshite.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:25 am to DP40
quote:Stupid Miles not calling a timeout is responsible for this one, not Flynn. In case you don't remember, Miles has a well documented history of not understanding when to call timeouts.
Flynn, Mr. smart guy, almost blew the Auburn game by wasting way too much time getting the final play off.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:26 am to CougarBait
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Every first pick goes to the worst team in the league.
Yes, every year the top pick goes to the worst team. Not every top pick goes to the worst franchise.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:28 am to ProjectP2294
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Doesn't change the fact that he was better than Flynn in college though.
I don't see the record that demonstrates that at all. I'm not arguing that Flynn was better either. I just fail to see anything concrete that says Jamarcus was heads and tails better than Flynn was in college. I thought both were very good QBs and both had their share of mistakes. I just thing the memory fades as time goes on. We choose to remember the glory and forget the struggles by both.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:30 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Miles not calling a timeout is responsible for this one, not Flynn. In case you don't remember, Miles has a well documented history of not understanding when to call timeouts.
I still have that game recorded and I always get a kick of the look on Miles face when he looks up at the clock and for the first time realizes that there was only 1 second left. Priceless.
He played it off in the post-game interview like that was just how they wanted to do it, but that look told everyone it was not.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:30 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Stupid Miles not calling a timeout is responsible for this one, not Flynn. In case you don't remember, Miles has a well documented history of not understanding when to call timeouts.
in this case it would have been on Flynn. The team broke the huddle with about 20 seconds left but Flynn didn't call for the ball until around 7 or 8. As far as Miles goes, he was basically playing poker with Tubby who had a timeout as well. Moot point anyway, there would have still been time for a FG with an incomplete pass.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:31 am to Tiger Ugly
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To be fair JR had a pretty darn good senior year, every bit as good as Flynn's senior year if not better IMHO
JR left his Junior year.....
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:32 am to bradwieser
quote:I didn't say JR was stupid and I didn't say Fisher said JR was stupid. I said Fisher isn't going to say anything bad about JR, a former player. Also, Fisher has a dog in this fight in case you can't read between the lines. Fisher admitting JR was not a good leader and had a great work ethic speaks directly to Jimbo's abilities as a QB coach. At the time, Jimbo was vying for a head coaching position, he was never going to admit that he couldn't motivate and teach a #1 draft pick. Instead, he would take credit for that #1 draft pick because it looks good on his resume.
Sure, but he didnt just say JR isnt stupid
quote:Both teams lost games it shouldn't have, but JR's team lost because of offense, Flynn's because of poor defense.
Jmarcs '06 team lost to two top 10 teams on the road, one of which went on to win it all.
Flynn lost to two teams who finished the season outside the top 25.
quote:A grand deflection of an argument, a la Rant style, as good as I have ever seen.
Jmarc got Buster Davis drafted in the 1st round.
"Jmarc" as you so affectionately call him, had nothing to do with getting Davis drafted in the 1st round. This is an LOL and quotable. You act as if Davis had no skills at all, he still had to perform at the combine and workouts, without JR I might add.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:32 am to Mikebandit
quote:My bad bandit and my apologies...but you know what I meant.
JR left his Junior year.....
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:33 am to ProjectP2294
quote:
If I remember correctly, his uncle was one of the positive influences on his life, keeping the dregs at bay. But shortly after his junior season his uncle passed away, and then everything fell to shite.
died in 2009...
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:33 am to Tiger Ugly
its all good
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:34 am to justustm2
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I guess Flynn is better than Aaron Rodgers as well under this theory in this insane asylum..
I believe this says more about Favre's inability to stay within the system in terms of making the natural reads at GB during his final years there if Flynn can throw 6 TDs in one game setting a record and Rodgers can put up the numbers that he's been able to amass in that offense.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:34 am to ForeLSU
quote:Agree technically with your argument, Flynn could have called a TO, but Miles is the head coach and he can call a TO anytime he wants to. Ultimately the TO's are his responsibility.
in this case it would have been on Flynn. The team broke the huddle with about 20 seconds left but Flynn didn't call for the ball until around 7 or 8. As far as Miles goes, he was basically playing poker with Tubby who had a timeout as well. Moot point anyway, there would have still been time for a FG with an incomplete pass.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:35 am to Rittdog
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I guess Matt Flynn was better than JaMarcus Russell after all
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Exhibit A as to why the JJ/JL argument will never be over. 8 pages of arguing over whether Flynn's pro "success" retroactively makes him the better QB while at LSU. Players that have not taken a snap at LSU for 4-5 years...
Never.
Going.
Away.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:35 am to Tiger Ugly
quote:Miles is an expert at deflecting criticism and being cagey. Many Rantards still fall for it, even after 7 years of watching him. It's amazing how good the guy is.
I still have that game recorded and I always get a kick of the look on Miles face when he looks up at the clock and for the first time realizes that there was only 1 second left. Priceless.
He played it off in the post-game interview like that was just how they wanted to do it, but that look told everyone it was not.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:38 am to CougarBait
quote:You are making my argument for me. If you know this, why go to them? Eli Manning engineered his pick away from San Diego and to the Giants, and looks where that got him, a Superbowl and many winning seasons with a good franchise, instead of being a loser at S.D.
Every first pick goes to the worst team in the league. They didn't hold a gun to his head and make him eat cotton candy and drink syzurp.
Hiring good advisers and consultants has its rewards.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 9:38 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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Flynn didn't have 3 and 10 point shitbombs like Russell did that cost them games. Auburn '06 was one of the worst games I have seen a QB have at LSU. Florida '06 was pretty horrific as well.
The LSU defense cost them the two games in '07. The O never scored less than 28 when Flynn was the QB.
Thanks for confirming my memory. I remember thinking in '06, "JaMarcus Russell is a tremendous quarterback but he can't seem to win the big game." Auburn and Florida that year were unquestionably the big games, based on their rankings but also the flow of the schedule. I don't care how many stats JR compiled against Auburn. We scored 3 points. He failed. It goes back to leadership.
Flynn was never as talented as JR but we beat Florida and Auburn. We beat Alabama. We clobbered Virginia Tech. We did lose to Kentucky and Arkansas but when your offense puts up 37 and 48 points respectively, it's hard to blame the quarterback. Ultimately, Flynn won the big games, Russell didn't. That leadership quality is important in the NFL and it partly speaks to the way things turned out for both of them.
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