re: i get this is the rant, but can't you wait for next season to play out?

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Hey Derek, do you know enough about football to understand that a full time offensive coordinator has duties that extend beyond what an interim OC does? And that being a playcaller is in no way comparable to installing your own offense in the offseason and performing all of the duties related to that? The fact that you’re so close to the program and still so clueless is 

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he doesn't.

he thinks O recruiting for Pete Carroll's USC program is the same as o recruiting for his own program.

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but can't you wait for next season to play out?

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Let's just say we go 0-4 to start the season, do you then want to let the season "play out?"

I'm not saying that I want that to happen or that it will happen. It won't. But the idea that seasons have to "play out" before you do anything is crazy. To me, if we went 0-4, then that is things "playing out," and something should be done. Get it?

The only difference is, where you see the current trend right now, where do things "play out." Some people see it as perilously close to a major fall. Others are more optimistic. We'll all disagree on the whys or the hows. There's enough evidence to say the trend is not good, and I guess there's enough evidence to say the trend is "good," if you want to describe it that way. I think, specifically the more optimistic posters, should realize what Lunatik is saying, these threads only bring up talking about the differences. And there's, logically, more evidence for pessimism than optimism. If you just kind of let people be realistic without trying to convince them they are wrong, you probably wouldn't get negative threads and negative responses every day. Just a thought.

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yeah who cares if teams won't even interview you for a coordinators job offer, let me offer you a hc position.

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There really is a bit more to it than that. If his agent had put his name in for every OC opening who knows if he would have been interviewed. Since he was content being the LSU TE's coach, I'm sure this didn't happen. But, neither you nor I really know if he was approached by other programs to be interviewed or not. So don't pretend that you definitely do know.

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don't have the OC years in the 80s and 90s to go off of?

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you know good well that a coaches past isn't what they are judged by. everyone knows coaches are paid by what they accomplish in the future.

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OC showed what they could do while in the same positions in 2016.

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Then why didn’t O hire Ensminger as OC a year ago? Instead, he promised the administration and the fans that he would go out and hire the best OC money can buy, and let him run the offense without meddling. Those were both lies. He’s doing the same stuff he did at Ole Miss, and anyone who can’t see that is blind and/or delusional.

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who said that?

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Well you seemed to be crying because some of the wins weren't against the best teams in the country. I was just trying to make you feel better, or more miserable, by agreeing with you.

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we all know you're related to that unqualified career dline coach.

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Yes, just like all the other stuff you think you "know".

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That’s the rub. Some believe there is and some believe there is not.

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We just hired an OC who hasn't been one for 20 years, regardless of any data, that is not a good look. We have a staff with an extremely high average age. It may be successful, but as of now, it's a bad move. There is literally no way for those to look good.

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Bringing up the hiring process,

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I think many rant about this so people are aware and we don't do this again. It isn't necessarily negative, it's purposeful. Everyone should be mad about it. Again, this was a bad thing and even the optimistic should be ticked. But they won't be. People wouldn't argue if everyone agreed.

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the years at Ole Miss

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That's maybe fair. I disagree, but I can understand that people learn and get better. There's also evidence that O does not learn or get better via your next two points....

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bemoaning his age

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Also fair, for coach O alone. I am concerned, and people should be, about the overall age of the staff. It's fact that creativity and critical thinking can change with age. (Our entire problem with Miles was a deep connection to older offensive philosophies and a resistance to change), that's a real thing.

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that he was a position coach advances nothing.

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When you argue about Coach O's influence on the game, it's a very real thing.

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It’s all about wins and losses and recruiting.

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And the sell was, "we are a non-meddling coach away from the Championship with our talent level. Coach O is a coach who has learned that not meddling is important. He can win now with our talent by adopting a modern offense, and not limiting strong coordinator hires." That was the pitch. We didn't see a drastic improvement in wins/losses in year 1, recruiting is looking slightly below average, and we are learning yet another offense, because O made a terrible hire for one reason or another. Which shows he does a poor job of evaluating for a "modern offense."

So in terms of the pitch:
1) Win Now - O did not improve wins by 2 or more games
2) Modern Offense - Made a terrible hire
3) Not Meddling - O Meddled
4) Recruiting - We'll call it even to be nice


Every point of the hire was bad. This is why there is pessimism.

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Well you seemed to be crying because some of the wins weren't against the best teams in the count

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na just pointing out how easy our schedule was and how O still found a way to lose 4 games.

but hey it doesn't other you that ed Oregon's head coaching career is built on bad coaching.
it doesn't bother you that ensminger's OC career is built on failed OC tenures


it's doesn't bother you because you're related to O. there is no other reason for your constant devotion to one of the most unqualified coaches in Big 6 history

if you have good feelings about LSU sports

don't post on the Tiger Rant / Tiger bitching for little boys !!!