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Posted on 7/23/11 at 6:27 pm to Geaux2002
quote:Sorry.
Geaux2002
LSU didn't lose that game because of poor officiating or the field. PERIOD. The better team finds ways to play in the conditions
That ranks among the dumbest posts I've seen here in awhile. Simple. Stupid. An I-know-nothing-whatsoever-about-football kind of post.
Sheets of grass sod were buckling up as our receivers were making cuts. It literally was the worst field I have ever seen in any grass field game --- ever.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 6:33 pm to NC_Tigah
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That ranks among the dumbest posts I've seen here in awhile. Simple. Stupid. An I-know-nothing-whatsoever-about-football kind of post.
Sheets of grass sod were buckling up as our receivers were making cuts. It literally was the worst field I have ever seen in any grass field game --- ever.
Really? Because I strictly recall both teams playing on the same field in that game. I forgot they changed fields when PSU had the ball, yet I am somehow the stupid one here.
LSU was a more talented team, but that day, in those conditions, they weren't the better team. The game was pretty even, and LSU allowed the game to be decided by a missed call by the official.
Why people act like LSU got robbed that game is beyond me. Was it a shitty game all the way around? Yes, of course. The field sucked arse. The game's result meant nothing in regards to how good or bad LSU was that season nor how they'd do the following season.
For example, LSU got blasted by UT in the 2003 Cotton Bowl, yet managed to win the MNC the following year. Bowl games are exhibitions and nothing more.
That said, Miles is 5-1 in bowls at LSU which is damn impressive and should be appreciated.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 6:55 pm to Geaux2002
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Really? Because I strictly recall both teams playing on the same field in that game. I forgot they changed fields when PSU had the ball, yet I am somehow the stupid one here.
LSU was a more talented team, but that day, in those conditions, they weren't the better team. The game was pretty even, and LSU allowed the game to be decided by a missed call by the official.
Why people act like LSU got robbed that game is beyond me. Was it a shitty game all the way around? Yes, of course. The field sucked arse. The game's result meant nothing in regards to how good or bad LSU was that season nor how they'd do the following season.
Are you really this dense?
Yes LSU wasn't great that year. We also weren't good the year before but still beat the brakes off GT in the Peach Bowl. That was a field where we could show the speed difference.
The field conditions were a direct cause of our loss. We were faster than Penn State, no doubt about it. But because our players couldn't cut, they fell and didn't get as many chances to break away. You play that game on turf or even a half decent field and we win by at least 10-14 points even with the same play calling. Penn State didn't have much to lose by the field conditions because they are slow as shite compared to the SEC anyway and play a Big 10 style of football which is more suited to that kind of condition. Not saying it didn't affect them too, of course it did...but it surely affected us more.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:00 pm to Starchild
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The game was pretty even, and LSU allowed the game to be decided by a missed call by the official.
Why people act like LSU got robbed that game is beyond me
Do you realize the disparity between these two statements? First you say a missed call decided the game. Then, immediately after, you say that you are shocked people say LSU was robbed.
Umm, officials making a game altering decision, which you apparently agree happened, kinda make it seem like LSU got robbed.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:01 pm to Raparooot
Not sure about the rest of the country, but here's the records of current SEC coaches over the last 6 years:
Les Miles: 5-1
Bobby Petrino: 2-2 (1-1 with Arky)
Nick Saban: 3-1
Gene Chizik: 2-0
Houston Nutt: 2-1
Dan Mullen: 1-0
Will Muschamp: 0-0
Mark Richt: 4-2
Steve Spurrier: 1-4
Joker Phillips: 0-1
James Franklin: 0-0
Derek Dooley: 1-1 (0-1 with Tenn)
Les Miles: 5-1
Bobby Petrino: 2-2 (1-1 with Arky)
Nick Saban: 3-1
Gene Chizik: 2-0
Houston Nutt: 2-1
Dan Mullen: 1-0
Will Muschamp: 0-0
Mark Richt: 4-2
Steve Spurrier: 1-4
Joker Phillips: 0-1
James Franklin: 0-0
Derek Dooley: 1-1 (0-1 with Tenn)
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:18 pm to Starchild
quote:
Are you really this dense?
I'm the dense one? Really? LSU was the more talented team, and I've yet to see anyone claim otherwise, but games aren't always played on perfect fields or in perfect weather.
All you sound like is someone making an excuse for LSU not winning. It's never "the other team played better", but goes to "the field, refs, others changed the game and we got hosed."
I am sorry that while I love LSU, I am not blind to their faults and realize they aren't going to win every game because circumstances are never perfect.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:21 pm to MFn GIMP
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Do you realize the disparity between these two statements? First you say a missed call decided the game. Then, immediately after, you say that you are shocked people say LSU was robbed.
Umm, officials making a game altering decision, which you apparently agree happened, kinda make it seem like LSU got robbed.
1) LSU wasn't robbed. They lost a chance to win on a non-call, but one call doesn't determine the game.
The officiating overall was actually pretty good and even that game.
2) LSU wasted as much time with stupid playcalling and poor clock management as the 10 seconds wasted by the delay of game tactic by PSU.
3) It was a freaking bowl game, so who the hell cares? They are exhibitions and pretty much meaningless. Of course, when LSU wins they apparently mean a great deal, but when they lose, we got hosed.
None of the bitching about that game detracts from an impressive 5-1 record in bowls by Miles while at LSU.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:25 pm to Starchild
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Yes Penn State did have to play on the same field, but what you are failing to accept is that our team speed in the SEC blows the Big 10 teams' out of the water. It's been proven time and again in the bowl games over the years. That game completely took away our biggest advantage.
I'm a big PSU fan and that statement is as good a recap of the game as any. The field conditions played directly into PSU's strength. All 3 of PSU linebackers got drafted into the NFL which pretty much stopped the LSU running game. This forced LSU to be one dimensional on a sloppy field. If the defense knows JJ has to throw the ball and his receivers can't make the cut, its a recipe for disaster. Like other have mentioned, if this game was played indoors on turf the results probably would have been different.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:33 pm to Geaux2002
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It's not flawed at all. The refs should have called the delay, and while it would have be stupidly late may have done so after a few more seconds. That said, it should've been called immediately.
Hitt forced the officials hands by being a moron. Call him some type of hero all you want, he was a moron for doing it and it cost his team.
And had the refs been competent and acted decisively, as you agree they should have, Hitt would have never been in a position to try and pull the guy off. Hitt wouldn't have committed a penalty if the delay of game was called in a timely manner.. but it never came. In that situation at least call both fouls. Of course LSU didn't lose the game on that one play. Had it been called correctly on the field we would have been in a position to kick a game winning field goal.. with one of (if not THE) best kicker in the nation. We didn't lose the game on that play.. but we did pretty much lose the chance to win.
The Penn St game should have came down to a medium range field goal to decide who wins.
The Ole Miss game should have ended with an LSU victory off of a chip shot FG.
Alabama.. PP7.. Dick Burleson..
This post was edited on 7/23/11 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:36 pm to PSU2LSU
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I'm a big PSU fan and that statement is as good a recap of the game as any. The field conditions played directly into PSU's strength. All 3 of PSU linebackers got drafted into the NFL which pretty much stopped the LSU running game. This forced LSU to be one dimensional on a sloppy field. If the defense knows JJ has to throw the ball and his receivers can't make the cut, its a recipe for disaster. Like other have mentioned, if this game was played indoors on turf the results probably would have been different.
Both teams played on the same field and there are no excuses in that department :cheers
This post was edited on 7/23/11 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:39 pm to bmy
also teams on the college and pro level should never play on that kind of a field. If the teams were playing in the snow or something of that regard I wouldn't be mad but a field should never be in that condition ever. Playing on that kind of field is a not a good representation on which team is better.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:42 pm to bmy
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And had the refs been competent and acted decisively, as you agree they should have, Hitt would have never been in a position to try and pull the guy off. Hitt wouldn't have committed a penalty if the delay of game was called in a timely manner.. but it never came. In that situation at least call both fouls.
I agree they should've called both, but there is never an excuse for what Hitt did. The only time I'd have OK'ed that would've been something like Turley pulled in the Jets/Saints game a few years back when the Jets' player was trying to snap Brooks' neck. Otherwise, Hitt blew it for his team. He lost his cool and cost them the chance you are complaining about as much as anything.
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Had it been called correctly on the field we would have been in a position to kick a game winning field goal.. with one of (if not THE) best kicker in the nation. We didn't lose the game on that play.. but we did pretty much lose the chance to win.
We were at the PSU 45 before the penalty. You act like it was a given we were getting 15-20 more yards. Really? On that field?
It was a chance, but some of you act like it was a given that we'd be in FG range if the delay then penalty didn't happen.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:43 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
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also teams on the college and pro level should never play on that kind of a field. If the teams were playing in the snow or something of that regard I wouldn't be mad but a field should never be in that condition ever. Playing on that kind of field is a not a good representation on which team is better.
That field was literally a career ending injury waiting to happen. I think a Miami player hurt himself on that field right?
Both teams played on the field though. As the person that is arguing in favor of the officiating said.. LSU let the refs play a hand. They had the talent to win the game convincingly. I wish we could replay that game on a not shitty field.. but even in those shitty conditions it nearly came down to an attempt at a game winning field goal. Close game and the ending sucked.
This post was edited on 7/23/11 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:45 pm to bmy
agreed just my beef is these are two storied programs and they shouldn't have been playing on that sort of field. Both teams should have gotten double the payout for even letting their teams play on that.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:48 pm to Geaux2002
quote:?
as usual
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:50 pm to Geaux2002
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I agree they should've called both, but there is never an excuse for what Hitt did. The only time I'd have OK'ed that would've been something like Turley pulled in the Jets/Saints game a few years back when the Jets' player was trying to snap Brooks' neck. Otherwise, Hitt blew it for his team. He lost his cool and cost them the chance you are complaining about as much as anything.
He lost his cool after the Penn St player was allowed to break the rules. It's not like he was stomping on the guy. He wasn't attempting to injure him. I'm simply saying it's understandable.. game is on the line, emotions are high, and he made a mistake. The point is that he wouldn't have made his mistake if the refs were doing their job. Penn St broke the rules, the call was stupidly late (and ultimately never came), and then Hitt broke the rules. The order of events mattered -- it wasn't just a boneheaded play by Hitt -- it was a desperate act to make up for the refs incompetence.
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We were at the PSU 45 before the penalty. You act like it was a given we were getting 15-20 more yards. Really? On that field?
It was a chance, but some of you act like it was a given that we'd be in FG range if the delay then penalty didn't happen.
We were 10-15 yards away from being in FG range. Just one pass, QB scramble, etc. A 15 yard penalty is huge.. football is a game of inches. If it goes our way and the delay of game is called.. we're 5 yards closer.
This post was edited on 7/23/11 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:52 pm to Raparooot
After looking athe SEC coaches, I looked at the records of the top 25 teams in the final BCS standings from 2010.
Besides Les, only two other coaches who finished in the top 25 last year have as many wins as Les.
Gary Patterson (TCU) 5-1
Kyle Whittingham (Utah) 5-1
No one has gone 6-0. Pretty impressive to me.
Besides Les, only two other coaches who finished in the top 25 last year have as many wins as Les.
Gary Patterson (TCU) 5-1
Kyle Whittingham (Utah) 5-1
No one has gone 6-0. Pretty impressive to me.
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:52 pm to blizzle03
when is the last bowl boise has lost?
This post was edited on 7/23/11 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 7/23/11 at 7:54 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
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when is the last bowl boise has lost?
2008 vs TCU
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