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re: How many coaches have gone 5-1 in bowls over the last 6 years?
Posted on 7/24/11 at 5:17 pm to biglego
Posted on 7/24/11 at 5:17 pm to biglego
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I don't go for the field excuse. Both teams played on it.
yes...both teams played on it. The difference is it took away our biggest advantage both offensively and defensively....speed
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Posted on 7/24/11 at 5:31 pm to drexyl
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This is the only game I've seen that qualifies.
So LSU'S offense was PERFECT that game and the refs took it away???
Posted on 7/24/11 at 5:33 pm to H-Town Tiger
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yep, we did, we got fricked by a poor game plan and poor execution. plain and simple.
Some just DON'T GET IT H-TOWN!
Posted on 7/24/11 at 5:33 pm to dukke v
quote:so any time the offense the plays one step below perfection the refs can frick up a hundred calls if they want?
Posted by dukke v
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This is the only game I've seen that qualifies.
So LSU'S offense was PERFECT that game and the refs took it away???
Posted on 7/24/11 at 5:40 pm to H-Town Tiger
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define subjective. He dropped the ball, that's indisputable. If you think the refs made the wrong call, fine,
who said he never dropped the ball? he did but whether of not he had possession is subjective; you're the one that claimed football only has penalties that require no judgement by the refs. every single call required them to use their judgement and they got it wrong most every time to the benefit of AU.
if they made just one or two bad calls I wouldn't say anything. if they made multiple bad calls for both teams I wouldn't say anything. but they didn't; they made multiple bad calls that only benefited auburn.
Posted on 7/24/11 at 5:40 pm to drexyl
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so any time the offense the plays one step below perfection the refs can frick up a hundred calls if they want?
If you really belive the REFS took THAT game away from LSU, WRITE a letter. BUT you are MISTAKEN DREX. The O had plenty of chances to score in the 1st half. Fisher and Miles messd up. Just like Saban and Fisher did in 2004.
Posted on 7/24/11 at 5:50 pm to dukke v
quote:I do believe that. and you are mistaken. LSU if that game was called down the middle would have won.
If you really belive the REFS took THAT game away from LSU, WRITE a letter. BUT you are MISTAKEN DREX. The O had plenty of chances to score in the 1st half. Fisher and Miles messd up. Just like Saban and Fisher did in 2004.
Posted on 7/24/11 at 6:04 pm to drexyl
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LSU if that game was called down the middle would have won.
REALLY??? You are mistaken. How about the FACT [as per you that LSU got away with NOTHING] in THAT game?? LSU had ZERO calls go THERE WAY/??????????
Posted on 7/24/11 at 6:20 pm to dukke v
quote:can someone do a rantard to English translation here? TIA.
REALLY??? You are mistaken. How about the FACT [as per you that LSU got away with NOTHING] in THAT game?? LSU had ZERO calls go THERE WAY/??????????
Posted on 7/24/11 at 6:26 pm to drexyl
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you're the one that claimed football only has penalties that require no judgement by the refs.
no i did not, its impossible to have a discussion with someone that seems everything as stark one 1 or another. Ironically it is your argument that sees no subjectivity. Either the refs completely effect the outcome or they have no impact seems to be your interpretation.
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every single call required them to use their judgement and they got it wrong most every time to the benefit of AU.
You just say that because you are an LSU fan it was a tough loss.
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if they made just one or two bad calls I wouldn't say anything
besides the PI on Lafell, Doucet and the possession call on Hester, what where the others.
Posted on 7/24/11 at 6:33 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:either they affect the outcome or they don't. is that that controversial?
Either the refs completely effect the outcome or they have no impact seems to be your interpretation.
refs can make enough bad calls to affect the outcome of the game and they did in this game. if refs can't affect the outcome then the mafia needs to ask tim donahgy for their money back. (I know bringing up a ref that has actually affected the outcome of a sporting event is totally off topic but work with me here)
Posted on 7/24/11 at 6:39 pm to drexyl
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so any time the offense the plays one step below perfection the refs can frick up a hundred calls if they want?
Why do you keep making up Strawman arguments? No one said the offense has to be perfect. That's impossible. You however, completely exempt the offense from any responsibility. That's just making excuses. This is another example of how you only see things in stark contrast.
You said if the game was called down the middle, what does that mean? If they make a bad call against LSU, they should purposely make a bad call on Auburn to balance things out? Or should they just make the calls even. If LSU gets flagged for PI, then they will flag AU for PI regardless? Should they let LSU commit blatant PI to make up for the no call on LaFell?
Then again, what if they don't think they made a bad call. I mean the SEC made a statement that the overturned PI on Doucet was the correct call. Should they change the rule to suit a bunch of whining LSU fans?
Posted on 7/24/11 at 6:44 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Why do you keep making up Strawman arguments? No one said the offense has to be perfect.
peej's retarded arse question I was answering.
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So LSU'S offense was PERFECT that game and the refs took it away???
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You said if the game was called down the middle, what does that mean? If they make a bad call against LSU, they should purposely make a bad call on Auburn to balance things out? Or should they just make the calls even. If LSU gets flagged for PI, then they will flag AU for PI regardless? Should they let LSU commit blatant PI to make up for the no call on LaFell?
don't be stupid. "called down the middle" is a popular expression to mean "fairly".
Posted on 7/24/11 at 6:51 pm to drexyl
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either they affect the outcome or they don't. is that that controversial?
That's a false argument. Its not an either or question. Based on your logic then every game is decided by the refs.
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refs can make enough bad calls to affect the outcome of the game and they did in this game
and if players make enough plays it doesn't matter. Its a shame you can't understand this simple concept. Per your view, Hester dropping the ball is not an issue because the refs made a subjective call. If its totally subjective whether he had possession or not, then the call can't be "wrong". Its just you don't like the outcome of the call. But that's not biased on anything.
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if refs can't affect the outcome then the mafia needs to ask tim donahgy for their money back. (I know bringing up a ref that has actually affected the outcome of a sporting event is totally off topic but work with me here)
You can keep arguing with your strawman all you want.
I';m sorry that you don't understand the difference between covering a point spread and the actual outcome of a game. But just because you keep bringing up a ref that claims to have shaved points does not prove your thesis that players mistakes are not what causes a team to lose if there is a call you disagree with in the same game. Certainly Donaghy say calling a bunch of fouls late in a game to help the the game go over the total is the same as blaming refs for Jacob Hester's failure to hang on the a ball or the LSU offense failing to convert on 5 tries inside the 50 in the fist half. In the end all you are doing is making excuses, because your team lost a close game. You are or course, completely unbiased in evaluating it
Posted on 7/24/11 at 6:52 pm to Raparooot
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. If the shitty field and the refs hadn't dictated the Penn St. game, who knows Les could be 6-0.
Posted on 7/24/11 at 7:05 pm to drexyl
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don't be stupid. "called down the middle" is a popular expression to mean "fairly".
define fairly then. Is that calls you argee with?
Was the 04 LSU-Bama game called fairly? I'm pretty sure Bama fans don't think so.
You have said that the possession call is subjective, which by definition basically means there is no wrong answer. The truth is, that play was not clear cut. It went against your team, so you think it was unfair. But its not. Show that play to 100 Pac 10 fans that don't care one way or another and I bet its pretty evenly split on whether it was a catch or not.
You are holding the refs to a different stand than the players. For every chance we had negated by a bad call, we blew another one because of bad play on our part, in some instances on the same ply.
Posted on 7/24/11 at 7:15 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:it is either or it's just that 99.9% of the time they don't affect the outcome.
That's a false argument. Its not an either or question. Based on your logic then every game is decided by the refs.
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and if players make enough plays it doesn't matter.
right but there is a limit to what they can overcome.
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I';m sorry that you don't understand the difference between covering a point spread and the actual outcome of a game
so you know for a fact that all of donahhy's fixes didn't affect the outcome?
Posted on 7/24/11 at 7:16 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:I'll let you use a fricking dictionary to find out what the word means.
define fairly then. Is that calls you argee with?
Posted on 7/24/11 at 7:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
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You are holding the refs to a different stand than the players. For every chance we had negated by a bad call, we blew another one because of bad play on our part, in some instances on the same ply
Never have understood the fan sentiment on this, outside of blatant homerism. LSU lost because it couldn't stop PSU in the 4th and couldn't make a drive at the end when it had to. The field was muddy for both (regardless of what blind homers say) and the game was called sufficiently well.
PSU capitalized when it had to, LSU didn't. PSU won.
Posted on 7/24/11 at 7:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Never have understood the fan sentiment on this, outside of blatant homerism. LSU lost because it couldn't stop PSU in the 4th and couldn't make a drive at the end when it had to. The field was muddy for both (regardless of what blind homers say) and the game was called sufficiently well.
PSU capitalized when it had to, LSU didn't. PSU won.
Be prepared to be called an idiot for using common sense, Shrub.
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