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re: How good would JJ and JL be if Jimbo was still here?
Posted on 7/13/10 at 9:37 pm to Complete Linebacking
Posted on 7/13/10 at 9:37 pm to Complete Linebacking
Jimbo Fisher put a lot of focus on developing his QBs and playing to their strengths. He also coached the team based on what it needed to win and the talent around them.
In 2001, he adjusted to a more open game because our defense was horrible and Rohan and Reed were talented. In 2002, we had a great balanced offense (outside of the opener against VT) until Mauck got hurt and it became obvious that Randall wasn't ready/capable and the team sputtered.
In 2003, he coached towards what we had, and while not completely open, he played to what our monster defense needed.
In 2004, we lost all of 2 games while playing QB roullette and having to deal with high expectations coming off the NC. Once we lost to Auburn on a BS play and then got our defense demolished by UGA, we got conservative but put up enough to win and struggled once we lost Wilkerson.
2005 = youth and Katrina
2006 = crappy line play, and finally adjusting. Who knows who was to blame for the Auburn game. UF was just players shitting the bed basically. In the end, guy was good and prepared our QBs well, even doing a lot more with Randall than people thought could be done.
So yes, we'd have much better QB play with him here.
In 2001, he adjusted to a more open game because our defense was horrible and Rohan and Reed were talented. In 2002, we had a great balanced offense (outside of the opener against VT) until Mauck got hurt and it became obvious that Randall wasn't ready/capable and the team sputtered.
In 2003, he coached towards what we had, and while not completely open, he played to what our monster defense needed.
In 2004, we lost all of 2 games while playing QB roullette and having to deal with high expectations coming off the NC. Once we lost to Auburn on a BS play and then got our defense demolished by UGA, we got conservative but put up enough to win and struggled once we lost Wilkerson.
2005 = youth and Katrina
2006 = crappy line play, and finally adjusting. Who knows who was to blame for the Auburn game. UF was just players shitting the bed basically. In the end, guy was good and prepared our QBs well, even doing a lot more with Randall than people thought could be done.
So yes, we'd have much better QB play with him here.
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Posted on 7/13/10 at 9:45 pm to LSUMafia
This post was edited on 7/13/10 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:48 am to tigerO
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With Jimbo we don't win it all in 2007. Want proof, look at 2006
I'm not as sure about Auburn, but Florida's defense in 2006 was definitely better than their 2007 defense that cost them several games. That Auburn game in 2006 sure was a pain in the arse to watch though.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 1:26 am to moneyg
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Which one of those guys developed more quickly than Lee or Jefferson?
Exactly. Booty had one good season--he was a 25-year-old JR. Davey wasn't good until the end of his 4th year and during his 5th year. Mauck was a 24-year-old JR when we won the title, Flynn was a 5th-year-SR, and the only year that the majority of LSU fans didn't hate Jamarcus's guts, he was in his 4th year as well. Jimbo has no track-record of churning out 19/20 year old 2nd year All Americans.
I always defended Jimbo on here as being better than most gave him credit for, but most of these tards forget that he was absolutely loathed during his time here. The tards though Les made a terrible decision retaining him and couldn't wait to run his arse out of town. Now he's the greatest QB developer since Bill Walsh. People are so fricking stupid.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 1:32 am to LSUMafia
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So yes, we'd have much better QB play with him here.
Point to a time in Jimbo's career where he's done great things with 2nd year QBs.
And as great as Rohan was in '01 and as tough as the SEC is, Jimbo has never had a QB as "developed" as Tim Rattay was at Louisiana Tech. Though I do think that a lot of Tim's QB smarts was innate. Which is the way it is with a lot of these guys. A lot of times the light just comes on during guys' 3rd, 4th, 5th years, it doesn't matter all that much who their QB coach is. I don't know how much difference there is between the best QB coach and the worst. Jimmys and Joes > Xs and Os. You can't turn chicken shite into chicken salad and vice versa. And let's face it, Lee and Jefferson the last 2 years have been chicken shite.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 2:08 am to therocketscientist
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Jimbo was not a good developer of QB's. That is a fallacy.
Much better than Crowton. That may not mean a lot but still...
Posted on 7/14/10 at 2:10 am to therocketscientist
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Jimbo was not a good developer of QB's. That is a fallacy.
Much better than Crowton. That may not mean a lot but still...
Posted on 7/14/10 at 2:20 am to LSUMafia
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2005 = youth and Katrina
wait just a minute. lots of the Miles bashers say that neither of these were issues.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 2:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
Most on this board are hacked at Crowton because he will (for the most part) make whatever player he has "fit" his system (ex. making JJ run the option). Jimbo, as some have pointed out, would be more willing to fit the system to the player. You can argue till you're blue in the face over whether Jimbo would do better. Personally I think you would probably have the same results. The reality is Crowton is here! I thought that Crowton was going to shown the door at the end of last season. So Les apparently has more faith in him than people on this board.
This post was edited on 7/14/10 at 2:25 am
Posted on 7/14/10 at 8:45 am to Chrome
Glance over to the East and see what Jimbo's done the last 3 years at FSU. Despite having what the services consider above-average talent(Weatherford, Xavier Lee, Ponder), they have struggled to put together a consistent passing game. Ponder showed some improvement last year, but got hurt, and the freshman came in and struggled. There's a lot of talk about Ponder finally being ready to light it up this year, as a Senior. Anybody notice some similar themes there?
Posted on 7/14/10 at 8:49 am to Genghis Khan
Not vary! 
Posted on 7/14/10 at 8:51 am to OldManRiver
if jimbo ws still here, no doubt he would have coached jj up to the point he would have been able to throw away the ball to avoid sacks, and possibly successfully run options to the wide side of the field
Posted on 7/14/10 at 8:58 am to cheeser
why hasn't e.j. manuel developed? he was the #1 qb in the country the same year as j.j., rick clausen? why didn't xavier lee? drew weatherford? marcus randal? why wasn't j.r. developed in his r.s. frosh season?
if he didn't do it with six other guys then it's not a given he could do it with j.j. or j.l.
game, set, match.
if he didn't do it with six other guys then it's not a given he could do it with j.j. or j.l.
game, set, match.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 8:58 am to Hot Carl
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Point to a time in Jimbo's career where he's done great things with 2nd year QBs.
Flynn looked All-World against Miami in his second playing season. It was one game, the LSU defense was brutal and would have made me look good at QB (one of Pelini's best efforts).
However, I agree with you - Jimbo's QB development peaked at late 3rd/4th/5th year players.
Crowton has not impressed me with QB development. I have given him (and Miles) leeway up to this point because of the RP situation. However, if 2010 doesn't demonstrate that we have one QB ready to start and win and at least one SEC-ready backup, it is on them (mainly Crowton).
Posted on 7/14/10 at 8:59 am to cheeser
jl is not an sec qb, he throws behind receivers over the middle and he holds the ncaa div. 1 record for td interceptions for tds which destroyed LSU's record in 2008. he has made no improvement since then. r. sheppard should be LSU's no.2 qb in the single wing or direct snap tail back position.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 9:00 am to Rocket
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He's not here so it doesn't fricking matter
I agree with this!!!!
Its like asking if LSU would be better if Saban was still here.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 9:02 am to Intrepid
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which destroyed LSU's record in 2008
WRONG!!! He didn't lose any game because of a pick6.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 9:41 am to Common sence
Jimbo is a coordinator, not God. I like JJ, but he'd be the same guy running out of the pocket and clueless about what's going on. Jimbo would make him LOOK better by NOT lining up 5 or more WR and overwhelming the guy. Run the ball!
Posted on 7/14/10 at 10:40 am to Trent
I never liked Jimbo. His play calling was too conservative at LSU.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:07 pm to Hot Carl
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Jimbo has never had a QB as "developed" as Tim Rattay was at Louisiana Tech.
Tim Rattay was JUCO transfer.
Way to know your shite, though.
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