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re: How does this year prove we need a playoff at all?
Posted on 11/29/11 at 5:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/29/11 at 5:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:None of them are similar to FBS football.
None of the other divisions and subdivisions, leagues ...professional or amateur have a problem with it.
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 5:51 pm to amarti9
A 16 team format is fricking crazy. Under this format you're letting in teams that are unquestionably, without any possible dispute, not the best team in the country. Why let them play for a championship if they are clearly not the best, or even in the top five?
In a 16 team playoff LSU would start the first round with some team like Louisville or, even worse, Arkansas. Or, even worse worse
, if the conference champs are all in, Northern Illinois. Setting aside the question of whether these teams have done anything to prove they deserve a shot at LSU (they haven't), why does LSU need to prove themselves against these kinds of teams?
Now I realize some people like "Cindarella" stories and everyone getting a chance, which is fine. But setting up a system to provide Cindarella stories is completely different from setting up a system that will accurately show who the best team in the country is.
In a 16 team playoff LSU would start the first round with some team like Louisville or, even worse, Arkansas. Or, even worse worse
, if the conference champs are all in, Northern Illinois. Setting aside the question of whether these teams have done anything to prove they deserve a shot at LSU (they haven't), why does LSU need to prove themselves against these kinds of teams? Now I realize some people like "Cindarella" stories and everyone getting a chance, which is fine. But setting up a system to provide Cindarella stories is completely different from setting up a system that will accurately show who the best team in the country is.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 6:03 pm to amarti9
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You mean like how it is right now? Like in say week 3 while Alabama is on the road in Happy Valley playing Penn St while Boise St that same week is playing NU(Nobody Universty) in front of what, 27000 fans?
Or if Stanford is playing a struggling UCLA at home and while LSU is traveling to Morgantown to play West Virginia in front of a sellout crowd?
Um, what? It is PRECISELY the BCS system that allows for the qualitative differences you are talking about.
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At least in a playoff all teams involved arent exactly pushovers. If we had the 16 team format with all the conference champions and 4 or 5 wild cards you will have at least the top 10-15 teams in the country playing.
Playing WHAT? An arbitrary elimination tournament in a game that is heavy on luck? How is that better?
Posted on 11/29/11 at 6:04 pm to Cold Cous Cous
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A 16 team format is fricking crazy. Under this format you're letting in teams that are unquestionably, without any possible dispute, not the best team in the country. Why let them play for a championship if they are clearly not the best, or even in the top five?
In a 16 team playoff LSU would start the first round with some team like Louisville or, even worse, Arkansas. Or, even worse worse , if the conference champs are all in, Northern Illinois. Setting aside the question of whether these teams have done anything to prove they deserve a shot at LSU (they haven't), why does LSU need to prove themselves against these kinds of teams?
Now I realize some people like "Cindarella" stories and everyone getting a chance, which is fine. But setting up a system to provide Cindarella stories is completely different from setting up a system that will accurately show who the best team in the country is.
Mother-fricking THIS.
CCC, you are on FIRE today.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 6:10 pm to AlxTgr
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None of the other divisions and subdivisions, leagues ...professional or amateur have a problem with it.
None of them are similar to FBS football.
They are similar. The only difference is the bowl system based on subjective rankings. A playoff would replace or modify it. Most likely modify.
Team sport, conferences. Looks similar to me.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 6:13 pm to Tiger JJ
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I don't care if they have a problem with it or not. All I said is that it was lousy. Plus, you can't conflate pro with college, as pro is a much more "closed system" - smaller and with more symmetry.
Right. THe FCS, Div II and III, JC and the NAIA football programs all have it wrong.
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The problem with the BCS is that scheduling is too damn subjective. Putting the two teams with the best record together (and perceived resume) really can exclude the best team in the country.
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And you don't think having a playoff with a "final game" can exclude the best team in the country? As an example, you really think the Cardinals were one of the 2 best teams in the NFL a few years back when they played in the Superbowl?
At the end of the year, most likely. A plus one or 4 team playoff would certainly help reduce the chances of the best team playing getting left out.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 6:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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RogerTheShrubber
Are you for or against a rematch?
Posted on 11/29/11 at 6:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
yeah, i'm a playoff proponent (6-team is about right, with two first-round byes for top 2), but this year is definitely not a "see we need a playoff" moment.
if anything, it is a "let's go back to the 50's and award the MNC before the bowls" moment. because LSU's resume is far and away better than anyone else's.
if anything, it is a "let's go back to the 50's and award the MNC before the bowls" moment. because LSU's resume is far and away better than anyone else's.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 6:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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think any playoff system will go a plus one, where you put 4-1 and 2-3 together in a bowl game and the two winners play for the championship. In fact, you don't even have to expand the season with this scenario, just change a couple of bowl arrangements.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 6:20 pm to sgallo3
Because we are still using opinion to choose the second best team. Even though okie state has played and beaten better competition(based on opinion of course).
Posted on 11/29/11 at 6:21 pm to Mulat
My next question is does the ranking of teams remain the same or does this process need to change also?
Posted on 11/29/11 at 7:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Right. THe FCS, Div II and III, JC and the NAIA football programs all have it wrong.
Yes. And don't forget the NFL too.
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