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re: How do you stop the triple option?
Posted on 12/13/08 at 11:46 am to xiv
Posted on 12/13/08 at 11:46 am to xiv
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How do you stop the triple option?
Tackle the runner 9 yards downfield and then taunt him.
at to, stopped on the 2 yard line, being down by 20
I think Les will have them ready
I think the team was practicing too hard, we looked slow at the end of the season, just like last year
a month of rest, fear the Tigers
Posted on 12/13/08 at 11:50 am to ApexTiger
quote:
Tell Curtis Taylor to wrap up.
Pretty much, we have to wrap up, not a strong suit this year.
How to stop it? Having a month to prepare is a great start.
Posted on 12/13/08 at 11:57 am to ApexTiger
You know where the pitch man is on every play.
The key is to hit that guy smack under the chinstrap every single play pitch or no pitch.
By the third Q he's not nearly as effective.
The key is to hit that guy smack under the chinstrap every single play pitch or no pitch.
By the third Q he's not nearly as effective.
Posted on 12/13/08 at 12:07 pm to xiv
quote:
How do you stop the triple option?
Tackle the runner 9 yards downfield and then taunt him.
You have to pick your spots to make this a good play.
When the team is facing fourth and 28 is a good time.
Posted on 12/13/08 at 12:57 pm to WampusCat56
best for DE to take the pitch man. a five man front is the best way to stop it. 3 tackles inside, both ends lined up well on the outside of the tight end or tackle. The ends take the pitch man, and force it all back towards the middle.
Posted on 12/13/08 at 1:01 pm to Stingray
Game planning for the secondary is very tough. Example: UGAG slowed the option somewhat in the first half by rolling up their S to take the pitch man, leaving the playside corner in man coverage. But PJ made adjustments in the second half. He brought the WR's in tighter to give them a better shot at the S shooting the gap. In the second, our WR fired off the LOS straight at the S. Guess where the CB in man coverage went? Out of position, straight to his own S covering our WR (and playing "position football, " BTW). Result: a wide open boundary to run all the way to the EZ. Bear in mind our main WR is 6'4" 230, and crushes most DB's he comes into contact with. He's an excellent blocker. Two 50+ yard TD's scored on that particular play, BTW.
Now, had the CB been instructed to give up coverage and play the boundary, with the S still shooting the gap to the pitch man, guess where that leaves the WR? Wide open down the sideline for the QB to pull up and play toss with. We never did this against UGAG, because they never stopped the CB from following the WR off the corner. If they lay the S back off the pitch man, the WR takes the CB out of the play downfield, and the pitch is still there. Instead of going the distance, you're then looking at 10-30 yards, unless our A-back (wingback) gets the block on the S, too. Then it's all about who can catch Jonathan Dwyer or Roddy Jones.
I'd imagine PJ will throw some early on to loosen your D up, and to try to set up the dive. Then he'll pound the middle for a quarter to see if you can stop the dive, see what your back 7 do in response to it, and to set up the play action. Then, when your front 7 is getting winded, he'll start to probe the pitch off the play action dive.
I'm telling you, this offense, when executed well, is wicked. Who knows how we'll execute it in the CFA bowl.
Now, had the CB been instructed to give up coverage and play the boundary, with the S still shooting the gap to the pitch man, guess where that leaves the WR? Wide open down the sideline for the QB to pull up and play toss with. We never did this against UGAG, because they never stopped the CB from following the WR off the corner. If they lay the S back off the pitch man, the WR takes the CB out of the play downfield, and the pitch is still there. Instead of going the distance, you're then looking at 10-30 yards, unless our A-back (wingback) gets the block on the S, too. Then it's all about who can catch Jonathan Dwyer or Roddy Jones.
I'd imagine PJ will throw some early on to loosen your D up, and to try to set up the dive. Then he'll pound the middle for a quarter to see if you can stop the dive, see what your back 7 do in response to it, and to set up the play action. Then, when your front 7 is getting winded, he'll start to probe the pitch off the play action dive.
I'm telling you, this offense, when executed well, is wicked. Who knows how we'll execute it in the CFA bowl.
This post was edited on 12/13/08 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 12/13/08 at 1:01 pm to ApexTiger
Interesting reads on here. The one thing I have not seen anyone weigh in on is what to do with the safeties.
Typically the AB on play side is cutting the OLB on play side.
Also keep in mind...we only run the triple about 15-20 times per game. The rest is mid-line, freeze, lead, speed, etc. I would say about 10-15 plays per game is just toss sweep out of the I-formation. People just do not notice it is the I because it starts with a balanced base and one AB goes in motion and the ball is snapped when he is directly by the BB...it simply a toss sweep out of the I but he has a running start.
Typically the AB on play side is cutting the OLB on play side.
Also keep in mind...we only run the triple about 15-20 times per game. The rest is mid-line, freeze, lead, speed, etc. I would say about 10-15 plays per game is just toss sweep out of the I-formation. People just do not notice it is the I because it starts with a balanced base and one AB goes in motion and the ball is snapped when he is directly by the BB...it simply a toss sweep out of the I but he has a running start.
This post was edited on 12/13/08 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 12/13/08 at 1:14 pm to hiveredtech
take the FB dive away and take the pitch man away forcing the QB to keep the ball. Then you beat the shite out of him to the point that he doesn't want to keep it.
Posted on 12/13/08 at 2:13 pm to trstiger
quote:I agree, not to mention we had trouble during the season with defensive schemes we've seen/were familiar with.
I've been listening to these idiots calling in on 1210 all week talking about how easy it is to stop a Triple Option. I bet more than half of them (including some of the hosts) have never had to defend it. LSU has the talent to do it, but lacks the discipline and attention to detail. If we don't demolish the pitchman on every play, it will be a long day.
As far as "killing the pitchman" there are two schools of thought on that. Some coaches teach breaking down, stringing out the play, hoping for help- I was of the same school as you though and we were taught to take him out.
Posted on 12/13/08 at 2:30 pm to IAmTheHatOnMilesHead
Dont see LSU defense able to any of the above if they play like they have since Alabama game.
Posted on 12/13/08 at 2:45 pm to ApexTiger
I was talking to my dad about it. He was a defensive end for LSU back when Bama used to run the wishbone and so they prepared for a system similiar to the triple option. He said that the DE has to choose before the play to either take the QB or the RB. A LBer must fill the gap where the FB will go, and a corner,safety, or another LBer must take the guy that the DE lets go. Really, it is about knowing who you are gonna go after before the play even begins. Hope that was helpful.
Posted on 12/13/08 at 3:04 pm to BayouRat15
The 4-2-5 Defense works great against the option, then again its was designed to work against the triple option and other run offenses.
Posted on 12/13/08 at 3:07 pm to LSULaw2009
you can not let the offense manipulate you. attack the ball and make the qb make quick decisions. trust the guys next to you to do their job and you do yours.
Posted on 12/13/08 at 3:36 pm to tke_swamprat
quote:
Tell Curtis Taylor to wrap up
In this day and age, one should always wrap it up.
Posted on 12/13/08 at 3:40 pm to ApexTiger
Jump ahead early and keep their offense off the field with long sustained drives.
That'll force them to throw the ball.
No, wait.
That'll force them to throw the ball.
No, wait.
Posted on 12/13/08 at 3:42 pm to stinger78
How the hell did Wofford stop it???
Posted on 12/13/08 at 6:14 pm to lsu xman
you tackle the man with the football.
Posted on 12/13/08 at 6:17 pm to ApexTiger
quote:
I am sick of losing to inferior teams
Me too, but that just means they weren't really inferior.
Posted on 12/13/08 at 6:28 pm to foshizzle
Tackle the dive back, play games with your DE's, Backers and Safeties responsibilities. Our biggest problem will be this. Our inside backers do a terrible job of staying inside/out on plays. They run parallel to the line of scrimmage and let backs plant and cut upfield. A good inside backers path to the pitch man should be dive, QB, and then pitch man. At least that's how we used to teach it. Hopefully we can get some good linebacker play.
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