re: How do outsiders perceive Miles?

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Who cares what outsiders think? I could care less about what others think. Why would you?

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I care. It gives me pride when other big name schools like OSU know and talk about LSU. It shows me we're relevant at the national scene. Why is that so hard to understand? Seriously, these 'who cares' responses make no sense unless you're a 14 yr old rebel teen.

MDS.
Miles Derangement Syndrome.

Seek help !

If you measure your self worth and your self esteem based on what "the current wisdom" is this week, then God help you.

In my lifetime the prevailing wisdom has been inacurrate more often than not.

Thicken that skin, son.
Man up.
This year is going to see a REBIRTH of LSU football after two unsatisfying years.
Les KNOWS he screwed up.
That's what the staff makeover is about.
That's what the youth movement is about.
Let's stay together and have this team's back.


Leave the crying to The Doctor Phil audience...

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He is not respected or feared by anyone.

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The man is one of THE most respected men in his profession.
How do you think he attracts topflight coaches ?
How do you think he recruits like that ?
How come he has friends throughout the profession that swear by him ?
How come the HS coaches roll out the red carpet for him and consistently have his back.
How come the mommas and daddys swear by him ?
I'm sorry this does not fit into your pre-formed narrative.
This is almost always the case with Miles Derangement Syndrome sufferers.

As for "feared" I think there is only ONE maybe TWO coach in the college game who inspire fear.

Does anybody fear Mack Brown, Stoops, Paterno,Beamer, etc ?

This whole board needs to Man the frick up !

You guys who constantly support Miles, do it misguidedly and with no regard to certain facts.

Fact: Miles is not supported or respected by 50% or more of OUR fan base. That's lost dollars every time the stadium empties out at half time, or before mid-way through the 4th quarter at the earliest due to lost concession sales, merchandising, etc.

Fact: Those lost dollars translate into lost dollars on national merchandising, reduced or less than prime TV appearances, lower tier bowl games, etc.

Fact: Those lost dollars continue with regard to donations, TAF donations are down....other than those who would gladly give or give more if it also included a buyout.

Fact: NO ONE other than possibly UM in 2007 has EVER wanted him, and they were no more than 50% in support of hiring him either.

Fact: When we hired him in 2005, what other schools were talking to him? He was the last if not close to the last hire that year. UF, ND, Illinois, Pitt, Stanford, Ole Miss, Syracuse, South Carolina, Washington, Indiana are the one's worth mentioning. NO.

Fact: Did he interview and was he offered an interview for ANY of those jobs, or ANY of the other lower level jobs open that year such as East Carolina, Marshall, San Jose State, N.M. State, or even Utah which was actually a desirable job with Meyer leaving for UF? NO!!

Fact: Les doesn't attract good coaches to LSU, LSU attracts good coaches to LSU. If anything, Les' positive influence on that is NOT positive unless a reputation for being an easy boss to work for, who doesn't ask as much of his employees as do other coaches is considered a positive.

Fact: We pay Les 3.9mm per year. As a highly paid public figure, he is open to extreme public scrutiny, and extremly high expectations.

Fact: I saw it in this thread or another one today; "Stoops can't win the big one's either, he's not a good coach". Okay, but then YOU can't hold up Lesster's 2 wins over OU while he was at OSU as some sort of major accomplishment, now can you.

Fact: OSU's biggest supporter, is as much to blame for us hiring Less as is Bertman. Because, the reason things went down the way they did, was he was about to be fired. Had that not been the case, he would've stayed at OSU even knowing he wasn't supported and wanted by most. That should scare the shite out of you if you ever think he'll be beaten down/shamed/embarassed/whatever into leaving here short of a UM job offer.......which ain't coming.......see Jim Harbaugh.

Fact: If we agree that Les is a "good" guy, that does NOT make him a good football coach, nor is that a reason to support him as our coach.

Fact: With regard to the good guy status, do you know WHY UM and guys like Carr do NOT support him when he should be at the top of their list each and every year? Because he's got a reputation as being less than honest, and his actions AT UM were less than "good guy" actions. He was banging his boss' wife, and that's why he was forced out and how he ended up at CU under McCartney. Yes, he was banging Moeller's wife.

Fact: You mention some "unknown things" with regard to Coker at Miami. Do you know about those same "unknown things" with Les at LSU? Some are sort of common knowledge like losing the team in 2008, and the chaos on the plane after the Arkie game that year. There are other things in that vein. There are also things that are not well known to the masses, but they are known to his boss and other higher ups and it's documented internally.

These are all reasons of concern for our admin, and should be reasons for concern for us OVER AND ABOVE the obvious which we debate about constantly on this board. Some of those things have lead to some of these things, such as the national perception of him, and the fact that no school out there wants him.

Even with the success he's had at LSU, the only times you've ever even heard his name in the rumor mill with other jobs has be CU, and Baylor. Is that our standard? Are those the types of programs we measure ourselves against? I sure as hell hope not.

All that said, can Les turn it around this year? Sure, anything is possible, but if does happen, does he get the credit or is he along for the ride? See point above about LSU attracting coaches, not Les attracting coaches and it will be the assistants who turned it around, not him. But, I don't see it happening. Short of a 12-0 to a 10-2 season, there will be question marks surrounding him and something will happen.......as it has EVERY year he's been here. We were able to overlook some of that due to Katrina, the 2 loss NC, the loss of RP, etc, but the blunders and mistakes at all levels have caught up to him and nothing short of near perfection for 2 or 3 years will turn that around.

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Fact: Miles is not supported or respected by 50% or more of OUR fan base.

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Prove it. Give me some link or study that confirms your arse hole statement. Show me in real dollars the lost revenue. Show me facts.

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other than those who would gladly give or give more if it also included a buyout.

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Prove this is so. You said it is a fact. Give me documentation.

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Fact: NO ONE other than possibly UM in 2007 has EVER wanted him, and they were no more than 50% in support of hiring him either.

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You know this how? You have had intimate conversations with all the athletic directors of all the cooleges? Maybe you have tapped Miles' agent's phone line? Or maybe you just have no fu cking clue.

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Fact: Did he interview and was he offered an interview for ANY of those jobs, or ANY of the other lower level jobs open that year such as East Carolina, Marshall, San Jose State, N.M. State, or even Utah which was actually a desirable job with Meyer leaving for UF? NO!!

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So you suggest it would have been a smart move to go to a lower level school? Of course you don't actually know what institutions actually contacted his agent, so this is just another brain fart, right?

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Les doesn't attract good coaches to LSU, LSU attracts good coaches to LSU. If anything, Les' positive influence on that is NOT positive unless a reputation for being an easy boss to work for, who doesn't ask as much of his employees as do other coaches is considered a positive.

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Again I challenge you to prove it.
How many prospective assistant coaches have you interviewed? Tell me. I want to know how you came to that conclusion? Your baby sitter told you right?

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Fact: We pay Les 3.9mm per year. As a highly paid public figure, he is open to extreme public scrutiny, and extremly high expectations.

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That is true. He is open to public scrutiny because of his job and salary. Good thing you make minimum wage there at the berger joint, right?

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Fact: I saw it in this thread or another one today; "Stoops can't win the big one's either, he's not a good coach". Okay, but then YOU can't hold up Lesster's 2 wins over OU while he was at OSU as some sort of major accomplishment, now can you.

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So you hold up some other brain dead arse hole's post to justify your position? I guess there is a certain comfort being with your own kind.

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Fact: OSU's biggest supporter, is as much to blame for us hiring Less as is Bertman. Because, the reason things went down the way they did, was he was about to be fired. Had that not been the case, he would've stayed at OSU even knowing he wasn't supported and wanted by most. That should scare the shite out of you if you ever think he'll be beaten down/shamed/embarassed/whatever into leaving here short of a UM job offer.......which ain't coming.......see Jim Harbaugh

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Another blind asertion because no way you know the inside workings of the OSU athletic department then or now. Your fantasy life is getting out of hand. You are imagining what else?

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Fact: With regard to the good guy status, do you know WHY UM and guys like Carr do NOT support him when he should be at the top of their list each and every year? Because he's got a reputation as being less than honest, and his actions AT UM were less than "good guy" actions. He was banging his boss' wife, and that's why he was forced out and how he ended up at CU under McCartney. Yes, he was banging Moeller's wife.

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Wow how far into the gutter did you have to dive for that? Don't look now but the shite is all over you.

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Fact: You mention some "unknown things" with regard to Coker at Miami. Do you know about those same "unknown things" with Les at LSU? Some are sort of common knowledge like losing the team in 2008, and the chaos on the plane after the Arkie game that year. There are other things in that vein. There are also things that are not well known to the masses, but they are known to his boss and other higher ups and it's documented internally.

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And you are one of the privileged elite to know all this shite? You are one of the insiders, one of the movers and shakers? One of those secret plotters that hide things from the press? Kind of like on 24, right?


So when it all comes down to it, all your "Facts" are merely idle speculation without facts, data, or documention to back it up. They represent the demented ravings of some frustrated little girl.

But thanks for coming by and spewing your imaginary facts. Now hurry up and scurry back to your room before the attendant comes back and they have to put you in that uncomfortable leather jacket again.

UncommonCents, I gave facts. You can ask for "proof" all you want, but all of those things are facts. All but 1 or 2 of those things are easily proven. If Miles had been contacted or interviewed by any school, other than UM in 07, it would be out there as none of that stuff is a secret and the Miles supporters on here would've been offering it up in defense of him years ago.

As far as the UM/Moeller situation goes, that's common knowledge within the UM community, even if it may not be so here. What our admin has on Les will come out when he's gone.

You can take personal shots all you want, but isn't it funny that you find it necessary to attack posters who aren't attacking you, in some sort of perceived defense of Miles? Daddy issues?

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UncommonCents, I gave facts. You can ask for "proof" all you want, but all of those things are facts. All but 1 or 2 of those things are easily proven. If Miles had been contacted or interviewed by any school, other than UM in 07, it would be out there as none of that stuff is a secret and the Miles supporters on here would've been offering it up in defense of him years ago.

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You are giving your assumption of how thinngs might have happened. You are giving NO facts. You cite no credible sources. You don't even give us a reason to believe any of your babbling. What are your credentials for all this supposed inside knowlege? Just calling something a fact doesn't make it so. Well maybe in your mind, but then your delusion is a whole different problem. We can take that up at another time.

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As far as the UM/Moeller situation goes, that's common knowledge within the UM community, even if it may not be so here. What our admin has on Les will come out when he's gone.

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The good old "common knowlege" bit. Kind of like "I heard that they said>>>>>>>>"? Wow that is something you can rely on. Have you heard the one about Saban shopping for a house in Baton Rough. It was common knowlege that he loved it here and wanted back. Ok time to move on.

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You can take personal shots all you want, but isn't it funny that you find it necessary to attack posters who aren't attacking you, in some sort of perceived defense of Miles? Daddy issues?

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No more so than you feel compelled to post lies, gossip, personal slander and unproven accusations against someone you don't even know? What are your issues? Why did you post all that crap? Jealousy? Feelings of inadequacy? What is your motivation? What are your issues?
Why do you feel justified by personnaly attacking Les Miles, but offended if you are attacked? Sort of cowardly don't ya think?

"I can throw rocks at someone but if someone throws some back "

Les Miles is the reason why LSU isn't feared anymore. I love having him at LSU. LSU won't ever be bad again like the 90's. There is too much talent every year. But yall could be so much better with a decent coach.

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'Miles would be an upgrade at Ohio St since he outcoached Tressel'

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And FWIW, I disagree with this. LSU just had more talent.