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re: How critical is this season for Miles?
Posted on 8/1/09 at 10:37 am to Thoreauxbred
Posted on 8/1/09 at 10:37 am to Thoreauxbred
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Miami was a power through most of 80s band 90s to the turn of the millennium ..the momentum was built and the talent was the best in the country annually. That's what Coker inherited
Actually that's partly correct. Miami was definitely a power, then Erickson, who is a serial cheater....got them on probation and hauled arse, leaving Davis with a mess.
Davis rebuilt it and left Coker with a Cadillac. Coker slowly drove the cadillac in the ditch. I've heard tell the Miami community was shocked when he got the job as many felt there were 3 or 4 coaches ON THE MIAMI STAFF that were more qualified.
It was a poor hire and a testament to what Davis built back that it took into the fourth year for Coker's lack of discipline and leadership to sink in.
I think the fact that you didn't see big schools lining up to hire Coker after Miami let him go as a testament to what football folks think of Coker.
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Posted on 8/1/09 at 10:53 am to That LSU Guy
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I have never seen another fan base so eager to get rid of a good coach and a great person after only 1 bad season. Not to mention a blow out win in their bowl game!
The RANT is infested with jealous coach haters. You can usually spot them when they talk about how much Miles makes.
Fact: Miles has this program stocked with great offensive talent, but it is still young. During the next two or three seasons, our offense will dominate.
The RANT's coach haters will have to find another target after this season. Our basketball coach and program are the likely target.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 10:58 am to Bad Cat
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Our basketball coach and program are the likely target.
I can see that.
Cause next year ain't gonna be pretty in hoops I'm afraid and honeymoons are great, but when the clothes are on and it's back to real life, we aren't always as lovey-dovey are we.
Same thing with Chavis. We're almost gay for him now but wait till we give up 400 in a game and don't blitz every down.
Look, I used to put these coaches up on pedastals, and be apologist for them and defend them to the hilt and all that. That's the other extreme and I don't do that anymore.
But folks could and should be a bit more reasonable at times, myself included.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 11:18 am to Tiger Ugly
Post #1
"Oh the Irony" Where have I heard about the "Rebuilt & left him with a Cadillac" routine before? hmm..
Well..on the upside, you appear to be in mid-season Saban-butt-Chapping form.
ETA: In small words: IF the FIU Fight does not occur, Larry Coker is still the Coach at Miami.
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Davis rebuilt it and left Coker with a Cadillac. Coker slowly drove the cadillac in the ditch.
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Look, I used to put these coaches up on pedastals, and be apologist for them and defend them to the hilt and all that. That's the other extreme and I don't do that anymore.
"Oh the Irony" Where have I heard about the "Rebuilt & left him with a Cadillac" routine before? hmm..
Well..on the upside, you appear to be in mid-season Saban-butt-Chapping form.
ETA: In small words: IF the FIU Fight does not occur, Larry Coker is still the Coach at Miami.
This post was edited on 8/1/09 at 11:27 am
Posted on 8/1/09 at 11:30 am to Sammich
Miles has built a great coaching staff, continued to stock LSU football with the most talent in its history, won a BCS championship, won every one of his bowl games, and some in our fan base think Miles should be put on probation or the hot seat.
Amazing stupidity seems the norm for too many on the RANT.
Amazing stupidity seems the norm for too many on the RANT.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 11:40 am to Sammich
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"Oh the Irony" Where have I heard about the "Rebuilt & left him with a Cadillac" routine before? hmm..
Well..on the upside, you appear to be in mid-season Saban-butt-Chapping form.
ETA: In small words: IF the FIU Fight does not occur, Larry Coker is still the Coach at Miami.
IMHO the FIU fight was symptomatic of Coker's loss of control of the program and had it not occurred it would only have delayed the inevitable Sammich.
Look, if you think Coker was a great coach, hey that's your opinion and I'll give it due respect but strongly disagree. Yeah, schools were lined up to get him when Miami canned him.
And irony or not, it is a fact that Coker inherited a cadillac. Can you deny that?
Miles also inherited a cadillac. That is also IMHO indesputeable.
As for your reference to Saban it is you who brings him up not me. I am speaking to Coker on this thread not Miles are Satan.
I think Miles has a bit more going for him than Coker and I don't think he'll drive it into the ditch as Coker did.
But neither will I put him on a pedastal, nor did I with Saban when everyone worshipped at his altar here. I used to find it comical at Gridiron lunches when the boosters would laugh hysterically at his lame jokes.
Reminded me of the scene in the Soparanos when Tony noticed the not so genuine laughter by his troops at his jokes after his wife made a comment about conditional loyalty.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 11:42 am to Tiger Ugly
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nor did I with Saban when everyone worshipped at his altar here.
So Saban did NOTHING GOOD AT LSU???????????????
Posted on 8/1/09 at 11:49 am to Bad Cat
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The RANT is infested with jealous coach haters.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 11:52 am to Hot Carl
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Holy shite, what a straw man. There are probably only 2 teams we've played under Miles that we didn't have a talent advantage over--'06 and '08 Florida. And we played both of those teams on the road in one of the toughest stadiums to play in the country. And oh yeah, they both went on to win the NC.
Yeah, dude, UGA hasn't had better talent than LSU the last 5-years? P&G goggle party time. Maybe you should look at how high in the draft and #'s of players were drafted into the NFL from other schools over the last 5-years and evaluate the end of year coaches' All SEC picks. I would start with LSU's linebackers the last 5-years and start from there, many schools have had far superior talent at those positions, as well as at other positions including RB. LSU and all other SEC teams would have killed to have McFadden and Jones at RB. I get tired of reading about how great LSU's talent advantage is compared to the other 4-5 SEC top teams when in truth it is not as it seems. The talent overall is very good in BR, but its laughable the Tigers just have an overwhelming abundance compared to all teams other than UF. Just think if C. Scott would have had a severe injury with no real back up last year, it would have been abject failure from what I have seen of the two other backs in the primary playing rotation. It was a great 2009 signing class, and time will tell.
You do realize UGA had 5-6 starting O & D linemen out last season against LSU and still had enough talent to smoke the Tigers?
Les has achieved more with slightly less talent than Richt has had in aggregrate, but Richt sure seems to win the head-to-head games. I don't see Les being in trouble this season at all although I don't see a 10-2 season unless some miracles happen on offense and defense.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 11:58 am to tirebiter
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There are probably only 2 teams we've played under Miles that we didn't have a talent advantage over--
I love how we hang our hats on the SEC being the best football conference, then think that only us and Florida have talented players...
Posted on 8/1/09 at 12:07 pm to DanglingFury
Yes, it is frickin amazing and not even worth conversing with many fellow Tiger fans. I doubt the goggles ever come off, either.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 1:21 pm to dukke v
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So Saban did NOTHING GOOD AT LSU???????????????
I think you're reading stuff into my post that wasn't there.
Saban did a whole heck of alot for LSU, but he was not invincible and beyond criticism for me. He was for alot.
Point is I used to put our coaches on pedastals and worship nearly unconditionally, defending them at every corner and lashing out at even the most innocent and reasoned questions or critiques.
I no longer do that, but I understand those who do as I was one of them for a long time.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 1:26 pm to Tiger Ugly
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but he was not invincible and beyond criticism for me. He was for alot.
I was VERY Critical of Saban on alot of occasions. I guess the stupid people on here that HATE him now without thinking what he did here makes me go off!!!! Saban is a BUILDER of a program and Miles is a keep it up kind of guy!!!!
Posted on 8/1/09 at 1:38 pm to dukke v
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Saban is a BUILDER of a program and Miles is a keep it up kind of guy!!!!
I'd be thrilled if that turns out to be true.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 1:52 pm to Thoreauxbred
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How critical is this season for Miles?
You would think winning the Title in '07 buys him several years...but then you have people suggesting he did it with the bulk of Saban's players...
So then he follows up the only 2-loss championship year in forever (many believe we were stone lucky to play for the crystal ball) with a shitty season last year after he takes the liberty to hire his two buddies as co-DCs...
He does an amazing job still signing a great class despite the shitty season...
But with a vintage recruiting year in Louisiana next year, how critical is it Les shows he can rebound strong and match strides with Saban, Urban, etc. in the SEC now with his own system and players?
How many wins does he HAVE TO HAVE this year? ..how many does he have to have to keep the recruiting strong and not get the image of Larry Coker?
This might be Les's biggest year yet IMO
Coker was not allowed to recruit the type players Davis and Erickson recruited as Miami was trying to clean up their image. Shannon is having the same problem.
You have to be a frigging band member to be so damn stupid!
Posted on 8/1/09 at 1:55 pm to Bad Cat
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How critical is this season for Miles?
Miles has built a great coaching staff, continued to stock LSU football with the most talent in its history, won a BCS championship, won every one of his bowl games, and some in our fan base think Miles should be put on probation or the hot seat.
Amazing stupidity seems the norm for too many on the RANT.
Amen!
Posted on 8/1/09 at 3:21 pm to Sammich
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IF the FIU Fight does not occur, Larry Coker is still the Coach at Miami.
You don't know that.
Posted on 8/1/09 at 3:25 pm to Rocket
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You don't know that.
Yes..I do
Posted on 8/1/09 at 3:29 pm to Sammich
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Yes..I do
You have contact with Donna Shalala?
Posted on 8/1/09 at 3:30 pm to Rocket
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You have contact with Donna Shalala?
Nope
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