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re: Hold Jay Johnson to the same standard as football and basketball coaches
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:32 pm to NotaStarGazer
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:32 pm to NotaStarGazer
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Nope the correct move would be to bring Jump in as needed since Ackenhausen was on a roll.
You want to bring a starter in “as needed” when you just made the point that they aren’t usually used in relief?
I cannot believe there are people who think this is a good strategy.
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:33 pm to NotaStarGazer
quote:This is legitimately one of the dumbest posts in the history of this site. These two situations are not only not comparable, they directly contradict your point.
Nooooo, you are wrong except I will say some MLB teams do it also. The other day, the Yankees were beating some team and the 8th inning pitcher mows down the other team. And they bring in their closer who had a 0.00 ERA...notice the "had"...he got shelled for 3 runs and they lost. Once again, arm and history is worth squat if the current pitcher is unhittable in THIS particular game.
Ack had precisley one efficient at bat in the 8th. He also faced two lefties. He had no command of the fastball. At all. One day prior he absolutely imploded. Multiple times this season he has been left in one batter too long and it's cost LSU the game.
You brought in your ace. It was the right call. He, for the most part (including the two hits in the 9th) executed his pitches. UNC just hit the ball where we weren't. It's that simple.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:33 pm to NotaStarGazer
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Nope, not hindsight. I talked to my brother before the 9th inning and he had the same opinion I did. Ackenhausen's game until someone reaches base. Not rocket science for most people
Would you have come here and posted this drivel had Jump not been dinged with an off-the-end-of-the-bat hit into left followed by a sawed off soft single to left? Would you have said "I talked to my bro and we were both dead wrong! What a brilliant move by CJJ. I guess I can pull my application as LSU's next great assistant coach!"? Easy to criticize but you seem to be such a baseball savant. What team are you leading to the Super Regionals this week?
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:34 pm to NotaStarGazer
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Don't you just hate it when the pitcher faces 3 batters and strikes them all out.
No. I’m just not dumb enough to believe that doing so “earns” another inning.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:34 pm to NotaStarGazer
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I agree with that. Starters also aren't acccustomed to suddenly being relief pitchers....period.
You are acting like Jump was brought into a highly stressful middle of inning situation with men on base.
He was brought in at the start of an inning to face the bottom of UNC batting order.
Let's go with your thought process that Ack pitches until he gets a runner in base. Ack gets 1st batter out. 2nd batter then gets on base. Who are you going with out of the bullpen, Guidry?
You obviously can't go Jump because he's a starter and starters can't throw in relief in your situation.
Would you really trust a combo of Ack/Guidry to get out of the inning or would you prefer Jump?
Your best pitcher coming in and UNC beating him is a much easier loss to stomach than rolling with Ack/Guidry/whoever with Jump sitting in the bullpen ready to go.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:34 pm to RB10
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You want to bring a starter in “as needed” when you just made the point that they aren’t usually used in relief?
The "as needed" is yes a sign of desperation. LSU didn't have a lot of pitchers left as choices. I didn't say bringing in Jump was a perfect solution under any circumstances. But bringing him in for no reason at all was downright stupid.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:34 pm to NotaStarGazer
quote:Going batter by batter in the 9th inning of an elimination game when your best pitcher is hot is next level stupid. Stick to poor football recruiting evaluations.
Ackenhausen's game until someone reaches base.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:35 pm to NotaStarGazer
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The "as needed" is yes a sign of desperation. LSU didn't have a lot of pitchers left as choices. I didn't say bringing in Jump was a perfect solution under any circumstances. But bringing him in for no reason at all was downright stupid.
Except it wasn’t for no reason at all. It’s because he’s better than Ack.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:36 pm to NotaStarGazer
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NotaStarGazer
amazing how many of you idiots on here think they know more than the coach.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:37 pm to NotaStarGazer
I didn’t read any of this. I just know I’m not comparing JJ to a bum like MM
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:38 pm to John Casey
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Let's go with your thought process that Ack pitches until he gets a runner in base. Ack gets 1st batter out. 2nd batter then gets on base. Who are you going with out of the bullpen, Guidry?
You obviously can't go Jump because he's a starter and starters can't throw in relief in your situation.
Where did I say not to bring in Jump under any circumstances? Oh yeah, I didn't. I said starters are not accustomed to relief appearances...that is not remotely the same thing. I have also said umpteen times "as needed." Under the circumstances there was 0 evidence starting the 9th inning that Jump was needed. I agree that Jump should have been brought in if Ackenhausen put a man on. Johnson "jumped" the gun...I've been waiting to use that one.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:39 pm to NotaStarGazer
NotaStarGazer did you ever think that maybe the reason we lost is because we could only manage 5 hits against at team playing its 4th game in 3 days. We should have been able to light up their pithing. I can guarantee not one person on this board thought the game would end 4-3 and 10 innings with the 2 depleted pitching staffs. Our bats went cold last night unfortunately. The pitching staff did what they needed to do win this game. The offense failed us unfortunately!
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:40 pm to PP7 for heisman
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Going batter by batter in the 9th inning of an elimination game when your best pitcher is hot is next level stupid
Jump wasn't hot in that game was he...Ackenhausen was. Stick to making ridiculous, fictional statements. You are good at that.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:40 pm to NotaStarGazer
for you and for those that don't agree with ack being taken out after the 8th, did it ever cross your mind that maybe ack didnt have enough left in the tank for the 9th? he could have got to the park yesterday and started throwing and realized that he only had one inning in him. he could have told johnson, coach i've only got a handful of pitches in me but i'll give you everything i have for one inning. people act like these kids are robots with rubber arms and can go out there and pitch every day and be totally fine. i would assume that the coach knows every single aspect about his players and puts them in the best possible way for each one of them to succeed. but of course the message board know it alls have all of the answers and knows exactly how it would have played out had ack been left in the game. the best thing about tigerdroppings is that its a place where people cant help but to let their stupidity be fully known.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:41 pm to NotaStarGazer
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Jump wasn't hot in that game was he...Ackenhausen was. Stick to making ridiculous, fictional statements. You are good at that.
“Hot” meaning ready in the pen you fricking waterhead.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:42 pm to NotaStarGazer
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But let's compare Johnson's own statement with say LSU football or basketball coaches
No lets not...
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:42 pm to TheGodfather
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for you and for those that don't agree with ack being taken out after the 8th, did it ever cross your mind that maybe ack didnt have enough left in the tank for the 9th? he could have got to the park yesterday and started throwing and realized that he only had one inning in him. he could have told johnson, coach i've only got a handful of pitches in me but i'll give you everything i have for one inning.
He started the day before in the morning, then warmed up for the afternoon game, then was warming almost the entire game yesterday. It's extremely likely, that he only had the one inning to give by the time he got into the game.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:42 pm to bubbz
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Every pitch he threw was stressful and he got into full counts the last two batters including several pitches bouncing before the plate
It’s kind of how ack is. Swing and miss guy. But very few of his pitches were in the strike zone. There is absolutely no way to know that if ack comes back for the 9th that he closes out the game.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:43 pm to RB10
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“Hot” meaning ready in the pen you fricking waterhead.
He doesn't understand very basic things. He's either retarded or in Jr High.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:43 pm to Outboard
I agree 100% with what you said. But having no offense...not Johnson's fault to my knowledge is not the same as making an explicit decision to pull a pitcher who was mowing the opposing hitters down. And yes, despite the alternate universe logic some have put forth, facing 3 hitters and striking out all 3 qualifies as mowing them down.
BTW, since some of here won't admit when they are wrong, I will when like you I thought the game would be high scoring...for the same reason you did. I believe some posters here bet on the over and obviously didn't come out so well.
BTW, since some of here won't admit when they are wrong, I will when like you I thought the game would be high scoring...for the same reason you did. I believe some posters here bet on the over and obviously didn't come out so well.
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