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re: Hill decision stirs up debate, Armchair judges replay Jackson’s call
Posted on 8/12/13 at 7:05 am to DrD
Posted on 8/12/13 at 7:05 am to DrD
The fact that you are making your statements about a head coach and a teenage boy based on a 10 second video and some very limited news articles says more about you than either of them. Take your holier than thou grandstanding and go away.
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Posted on 8/12/13 at 7:15 am to DrD
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Hill decision stirs up debate, Armchair judges replay Jackson’s call A thug is a thug is a thug. You can't change a Tigers stripes (so to speak). He's a great football player but a menace to society. Sucker punching a helpless individual like that is uncalled for and criminal. He could have killed the guy. My respect for him and Miles both went down the drain with that video. I'm just calling it like I see it. I hope Hill gets his act together but I doubt it very seriously. Miles is only keeping him on the team because he's a great football player. He's not molding this young man to be a success in real life at all. A bunch of hot air and b.s. ..... It's all about the "W's." Who are we kidding. I still love my Tigers but Miles legacy as a role model and helping kids become better people while at LSU on football scholarship is a joke. Saban would have kicked his arse off the team right then and there -but that's another heated topic as well. It's late and I'm tired of all the crap that goes on in the LSU football program from a negative standpoint. And while I'm on a negative role what does that say about the character of this football team when they allow Hill (by vote) to continue to be on the team? If he were my teammate he would have been voted off the team. What a loser.
Well said.
I've tried to enlighten some of our hard core (and apparently very young) fans here and help them realize Miles hasn't helped the team with his handling of this but have only gotten blasted just as you are.
I've gotten several messages and calls from others who show me there are some fans here who can see it but just don't want to put up with the backlash of saying it.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 7:17 am to ProjectP2294
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Hillar Moore's comments bother me. And the mother of the 14 year old should be more worried about why her daughter is offering to blow every guy she meets instead of continuing to try to crucify Hill.
I had no idea what a bj was at 14
Sorry ma'am but, you're a shite parent and an awful human being.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 7:51 am to Pauldean
If this is the way the judge handles all of her cases and not just those that involve LSU star running backs, then the judge has bigger problems. She let Hill off easy and now she is catching criticism for it.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 8:01 am to DrD
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. Sucker punching a helpless individual like that
you didn't see the provocation, nor do you know ANYthing except what the video shows.
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Saban would have kicked his arse off the team right then and there
might wanna go check the fulmer cup standings, asshat.
bunch of sanctimonious self-important boyscouts around here.
you're an idiot who can't be trusted not to let his emotion get involved in a discussion.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 8:22 am to Pauldean
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the 14-year-old victim
Posted on 8/12/13 at 8:41 am to Old Money
quote:What?! Did you grow up in a Pentecostal family or something?
I had no idea what a bj was at 14
Posted on 8/12/13 at 8:47 am to Pauldean
I'll try and say something here that won't earn me the wrath of all the "sunshine pumpers" but I don't think it will,seems if you say anything negative or remotely negative about a player or Miles you are toast,but I don't really care either.
The fact that this even made the front page of the morning advocate yesterday should bring some concerns to the table.All the trouble from last season should have been an example to the newer and incoming players of what not to do,suspending a player for a few games didn't seem to teach a lesson to Mathieu,maybe if you make them sit out the whole season? I don't know,I know the story with Hill and the high school freshman...doesn't matter if she offered him a BJ,we should all know that the law ain't gonna see it as "consensual".
He was on probation and violated his probation and is still on the team? Now that's what I call teaching him a lesson...I compare that to putting a kid in "timeout",some will learn their lesson and some will say well if this is all that's going to happen...I don't agree with the decision to keep him on the team,but that's just me,and while I agree that the team should have some input on Hill's reinstatement,I don't think they should have had the final decision.I'm done,so I'm sure that what I've said will be picked apart,but whatever,it won't change my opinion.
Have a great day everyone!
The fact that this even made the front page of the morning advocate yesterday should bring some concerns to the table.All the trouble from last season should have been an example to the newer and incoming players of what not to do,suspending a player for a few games didn't seem to teach a lesson to Mathieu,maybe if you make them sit out the whole season? I don't know,I know the story with Hill and the high school freshman...doesn't matter if she offered him a BJ,we should all know that the law ain't gonna see it as "consensual".
He was on probation and violated his probation and is still on the team? Now that's what I call teaching him a lesson...I compare that to putting a kid in "timeout",some will learn their lesson and some will say well if this is all that's going to happen...I don't agree with the decision to keep him on the team,but that's just me,and while I agree that the team should have some input on Hill's reinstatement,I don't think they should have had the final decision.I'm done,so I'm sure that what I've said will be picked apart,but whatever,it won't change my opinion.
Have a great day everyone!
Posted on 8/12/13 at 8:56 am to Pauldean
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menace to society
Honestly, he received a bj from a girl who was pretty much willing to give him one and punch a guy from a reason we couldn't gain evidence as to why, could've been racial words slung at him. He didn't do drugs, didn't rape anyone and surely didn't murder nobody. Sounds like your average guy. Cut the kid some slack.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 8:59 am to LSUnowhas2
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If this is the way the judge handles all of her cases and not just those that involve LSU star running backs, then the judge has bigger problems. She let Hill off easy and now she is catching criticism for it.
Not really, judges don't normally throw the book at someone who violated misdemeanor probation with a misdemeanor. You usually don't go to jail for that unless it's multiple violations.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 9:15 am to tigerd60
Dr D u don't know much about Saban. He has so many thugs at Bama if they were arrested he would not have any to play. The SEC director loves him some Saban & also makes up the schedules & went to Bama! 
Posted on 8/12/13 at 9:16 am to DrD
DrD,
your almighty saban may have kicked more people off of his team than miles. do some actual reading and find out why. LINK
you are comparing (LSU) fights, dwi, and public intoxication (none of which is right) to
(bama) 2nd degree robbery, stolen cc's, guns, mary jane, and hindering prosecution.
this looks like apples and oranges. matter of fact, i was guilty of all three of LSU's illegalities when i was in college. and only one of bama's (take a guess).
your almighty saban may have kicked more people off of his team than miles. do some actual reading and find out why. LINK
you are comparing (LSU) fights, dwi, and public intoxication (none of which is right) to
(bama) 2nd degree robbery, stolen cc's, guns, mary jane, and hindering prosecution.
this looks like apples and oranges. matter of fact, i was guilty of all three of LSU's illegalities when i was in college. and only one of bama's (take a guess).
Posted on 8/12/13 at 9:27 am to tigerd60
Tigerd60. You will never get these win at all costs apologists to see things your way. They will try to justify everything done by Miles and players.
The comment "sounds like your average guy", shows you thier mindset. Hopefully they are just young and will change thier views as they mature.
At the very least Hill shows a lack of moral judgement which may eventually catch up to him. As it did with CC, RP and TM7.
The comment "sounds like your average guy", shows you thier mindset. Hopefully they are just young and will change thier views as they mature.
At the very least Hill shows a lack of moral judgement which may eventually catch up to him. As it did with CC, RP and TM7.
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 9:30 am
Posted on 8/12/13 at 10:18 am to Pauldean
I have no problem w/ the decision of the Court, but I feel Hill should have had to spend one weekend in the parish jail as part of his probation violation.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 10:22 am to Laryngitis
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I feel Hill should have had to spend one weekend in the parish jail as part of his probation violation.
Why do you feel like he should get a harsher punishment than everyone else in a similar position?
Posted on 8/12/13 at 10:32 am to tigerd60
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The fact that this even made the front page of the morning advocate yesterday should bring some concerns to the table.
Not to me, but then I'm aware of how often players from all over the country find themselves in trouble of varying kinds. In the grand scheme of things, this "trouble" is not exactly Earth shattering.
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All the trouble from last season should have been an example to the newer and incoming players of what not to do,suspending a player for a few games didn't seem to teach a lesson to Mathieu,maybe if you make them sit out the whole season?
I'm not a fan of one size fits all penalties. What worked or did not work for Mathieu is of no concern of what will or will not work for Hill. Two different individuals, two completely different issues.
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I don't know,I know the story with Hill and the high school freshman...doesn't matter if she offered him a BJ,we should all know that the law ain't gonna see it as "consensual".
Oh...I certainly know it now...but when I was a high school senior? Nope...sorry. Suggesting any high school senior should or ought to know that is asking too much. It's not like this was some girl at the park...it was someone from his own high school. A peer.
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He was on probation and violated his probation and is still on the team?
Yes...yes he is. Because he violated his legal probation, not a team one.
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Now that's what I call teaching him a lesson.
Your argument seems to be misdirected. I suggest taking it up with the judge, and she seems like she enjoys having people tell her what to do. Again...this minor incident was Hill's first as a Tiger and it in no way, shape or form warranted being kicked off the team.
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.I don't agree with the decision to keep him on the team,but that's just me,
Noted.
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and while I agree that the team should have some input on Hill's reinstatement,I don't think they should have had the final decision.
They didn't. Only idiots or people with an agenda think they had the final say. Miles had clearly decided that if the judge did not revoke his probation then Hill would be back. When she did not, he cleared the decision with the team to make sure they were ALSO on board. Or are you under the impression Miles would have liked to kick him off but left it up to the Unity Council?
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I'm done,so I'm sure that what I've said will be picked apart,but whatever,it won't change my opinion.
That's true of most people with closed minds...but I spent the time refuting it in case there were others that will read it and are more open minded then yourself.
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Have a great day everyone!
You too, Champ!
Posted on 8/12/13 at 10:34 am to DrD
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DrD
seriously, go find some traffic and play in it.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 10:38 am to GeauxTigerTM
I'm not going to ignore the 'bad pub' angle, because it is real. I just don't put that very high on the list. Every major school has issues like this. And it is also important to remember that if 'bad pub' was all LSU cared about then we would have cut ties with a very good, and talented, baseball pitcher recruit. That guy was absolutely the victim of bad timing and pulled into a drug bust he had nothing to do with. True, he's a lot more innocent than J.Hill, but my point is that LSU and Miles should not make decisions based purely on public opinion.
I think the judge is right that it would have been unusual, very unusual, for Hill's probation to be revoked. It was even unusual for it to be asked of the judge.
He is guilty of poor decision-making and is on the cusp of that behavior costing him everything. But, in the grand scheme of things it is two (2) misdemeanors. He should and will be suspended, and have a tight probation leash for 2 years. That's about right in my book.
I think the judge is right that it would have been unusual, very unusual, for Hill's probation to be revoked. It was even unusual for it to be asked of the judge.
He is guilty of poor decision-making and is on the cusp of that behavior costing him everything. But, in the grand scheme of things it is two (2) misdemeanors. He should and will be suspended, and have a tight probation leash for 2 years. That's about right in my book.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 10:39 am to TigahRanter
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You will never get these win at all costs apologists to see things your way.
I don't see it his way, but not because I'm a win at all coast apologist. The facts here simply do not warrant the level of punishment some feel Hill should have gotten.
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Hopefully they are just young and will change thier views as they mature.
43. And you're right in one sense. As I've matured, I no longer see the world in terms of black or white in all cases. It sure was easier when I did...took all the effort out of thinking about each instance. I like it better this way, though.
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At the very least Hill shows a lack of moral judgement which may eventually catch up to him. As it did with CC, RP and TM7.
Eh. He got blown by a willing high school student when he was in high school...and 2 years later he punched a guy once that resulted in that guy getting right up. Forgive me for not thinking the guy is Al Capone.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 10:52 am to TigahRanter
quote:Lots of assumptions there, bud.
TigahRanter
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