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re: Hickey, Hammink, Morgan not returning (OP Updated with Moscona tweet)

Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:31 pm to
Posted by SouthOfSouth
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:31 pm to
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He was never ruled academically ineligible.


Coaches rules should be above those of the NCAA. Simple as that. Jones gave him instructions and he didn't follow them.

If you think Jones did this because on court performance you are kidding yourself. He had reason. This obviously isn't gonna win over fans. He did it because he felt like it was necessary.
Posted by LSU=Champions
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:41 pm to
I trust Johnny, it's just a shitty pill to swallow.

I really enjoyed watching Hickey's career. Even if his "leadership" was lacking, I'll always think back fondly of him. The kid was a scrapper. I always felt he shot a higher percentage beyond the arc than he actually did. I had confidence when he had the ball in his hand, and I may be in the minority here.

He'll always be the Miss St killer to me.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:07 pm to
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I trust Johnny, it's just a shitty pill to swallow.

I really enjoyed watching Hickey's career. Even if his "leadership" was lacking, I'll always think back fondly of him. The kid was a scrapper. I always felt he shot a higher percentage beyond the arc than he actually did. I had confidence when he had the ball in his hand, and I may be in the minority here.

He'll always be the Miss St killer to me.


100% agree. I hate this. I really do. However, I understand where coach is coming from. He is a smart guy. He wouldn't do this if he didn't think it was right.

Will always love Hickey. I am a sucker for AST:TO ratio. Of course I liked Hickey.
Posted by purplengold1
Illinois
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:22 pm to
@MattMoscona: Been told Anthony Hickey was dismissed from #LSU bball team for disciplinary issues but was offered to stay on scholly to finish his degree

For everyone doubting Jones's character. Here ya go.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43575 posts
Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:32 pm to
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@MattMoscona: Been told Anthony Hickey was dismissed from #LSU bball team for disciplinary issues but was offered to stay on scholly to finish his degree

For everyone doubting Jones's character. Here ya go.


BOOM.

That definitely shows coach wants what's best for him, but you can't break rules.
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:35 pm to
Well first I think it's sad. I'm old school and like to have players that come back and we have continuity. I find it more than a little weird that fans that praised players when they are here can turn on them so easily when they leave. Apparently none of these players left on their own but were asked to leave. Well not sure about Malik Morgan.

With the departure of Morgan and Hammink and the previous transfer of Corban Collins, CJJ's first freshmen recruits are all gone within two seasons. I remember feeling such excitement when they were announced and watching them in those first few early season games. Morgan and Hammink were shooting lights out from three and Corban looked okay handling the ball. Somehow or other that never worked out.

I know I am in the minority but I thought Hammink still showed a lot of potential and could have developed into a solid player over the full four years. Guess he had some of the same problems as Hickey staying out of CJJ's dog house.

Hickey was never as good as some people built him up to be or as bad as some are saying now. He was inconsistent and could shine or not. Quarterman will never replace him unless he gets better on turnovers and improves his shooting. Hickey wasn't a good shooter but despite what some say now he was a clutch shooter for the most part. They seem to remember only the last minute shots he missed and not the ones he made.

After the injury, I thought Morgan might be the one to go. He never developed real guard skills and was more of a short three than a two. Still he helped win more than one game and I thank him for being here.

Let's hope Gray and Hornsby haven't been overhyped and can produce for us next year. Practice and JC ball are one thing and the SEC is another as many a player has found out. Depth will be a problem unless we get a transfer or two and I thought that was one of the problems last year that CJJ didn't give our starters enough rest.

So all the best to those who leave and welcome to those who come in but damn college athletics just isn't amateur anymore is it. Coaches get huge dollars and move players in and out like chess pieces. Just seems a little cold and lonely to me.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:42 pm to
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CJJ's first freshmen recruits are all gone within two seasons.


Dude barely had a chance to recruit that year. That was about all he could salvage from the pile of shite that Big Bird left behind him.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:44 pm to
One thing I will not miss is seeing Hickey brick free throws like Deandre Jordan.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40081 posts
Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:47 pm to
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I find it more than a little weird that fans that praised players when they are here can turn on them so easily when they leave.

Examples? Who is "turning on" Hickey?
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With the departure of Morgan and Hammink and the previous transfer of Corban Collins, CJJ's first freshmen recruits are all gone within two seasons.

That's the breaks. None of them are huge losses and it was hodge-podge of a class to begin with.
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Morgan and Hammink were shooting lights out from three and Corban looked okay handling the ball.

Wat
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 2:48 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:52 pm to
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That definitely shows coach wants what's best for him, but you can't break rules.


Lol. It's a good way to cover his arse. CJJ knows he's not going to give up basketball & take that deal. I'm not mad either way.
Posted by TigersforEver
Alexandria, LA
Member since Aug 2008
1930 posts
Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:29 pm to
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I trust Johnny


That makes one of us. Bad hire all around - no in-game coaching, and now he's running off a solid player for his senior year.
Posted by DBeaux225
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:35 pm to
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That makes one of us. Bad hire all around - no in-game coaching, and now he's running off a solid player for his senior year.


So you want him to keep a player who can't stop getting in trouble? I'm a fan of Hickey, but there is a time where a coach should show who's in charge and CJJ did that.
Posted by TigersforEver
Alexandria, LA
Member since Aug 2008
1930 posts
Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:40 pm to
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So you want him to keep a player who can't stop getting in trouble? I'm a fan of Hickey, but there is a time where a coach should show who's in charge and CJJ did that.


Again, Hickey's "trouble" has always been stuff like missing meetings and class. There have NEVER been any indications of any serious character issues.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40081 posts
Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:41 pm to
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Bad hire all around - no in-game coaching, and now he's running off a solid player for his senior year.



You continue to make quite a name for yourself.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40081 posts
Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:43 pm to
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Again, Hickey's "trouble" has always been stuff like missing meetings and class. There have NEVER been any indications of any serious character issues.


At what point do you say "enough is enough" to the minor indiscretions? Jones asked him to be a leader from day one and he hasn't held up his end to the fullest. This isn't a YMCA league. I will always appreciate what Hickey has done for us and he was probably my favorite player the last three years, but sometime you do what is best for your program.
Posted by TigersforEver
Alexandria, LA
Member since Aug 2008
1930 posts
Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:55 pm to
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You continue to make quite a name for yourself.


And you continue to reliably show up whenever I post

There are a lot of kids who do a lot worse than Hickey and stay on their teams. I wonder what his teammates think about this - you can criticize CLM all you want, but the #teamvote is actually probably a good idea for team chemistry.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40081 posts
Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:01 pm to
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There are a lot of kids who do a lot worse than Hickey and stay on their teams.

We are all speculating to an extent, but based off the last two years and what we know, this screams of a straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back situation. When you consider that Jones, from day one, wanted Hickey to be a team leader and to lead by example on and off the court, it's not too hard to understand why Jones had had enough.

Again, I don't want this to seem like an attack on Hickey. I LOVED watching him play and loved the way he seemed to put the team on his back and willed us to victory several times. And he does seem like a good kid. But, Jones obviously wasn't satisfied with the way Hickey handled his responsibilities as a supposed team leader, and a change had to me made. That's the way it goes sometimes.

Goes without saying that I wish Hick the best.
Posted by TigersforEver
Alexandria, LA
Member since Aug 2008
1930 posts
Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:14 pm to
I can see where you're coming from. Would you feel any differently if it was revealed that the rest of the team disagreed with CJJ's decision?

Because it would change my opinion if it turns out they didn't want him on the team.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40081 posts
Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:20 pm to
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Would you feel any differently if it was revealed that the rest of the team disagreed with CJJ's decision?

I dunno, I guess maybe a little? Nearly impossible to really answer that.

I trust that the coach wouldn't do something to alienate the rest of his players just to prove a point. I also would want him to do what he thinks is best for the program and its future, as he knows damn well better than any of us what that is.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
18452 posts
Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:46 pm to
Reminds me of the basketball upperclassmen voting in the no cornrows rule. Brady got absolutely blasted for the rule, but it came from the Temple/Dupre/Bright group.
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