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re: "He can recruit, but he can't coach." ---Dan Patrick
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:12 am to lsupride87
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:12 am to lsupride87
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I mean is it not true? The trends seem to make that very obvious Salmon
or maybe Miles coached up Saban's players?
and maybe Gundy wasn't a very good coach his first year and had to learn?
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But, you put your head in the sand and post an emoji
just offering a different perspective
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Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:14 am to dgnx6
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I'm just arguing this bull shite that he can't coach just because he's lost some games that everyone else in the country would have lost.
you dont know this with any certainty.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:15 am to Salmon
quote:Knowing the facts we know now, this seems plausible to you?
or maybe Miles coached up Saban's players?
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:15 am to lsupride87
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Gundy has proven to be better than Miles, so his 4-7 first year makes it seem fairly obvious the team was shite when handed to him
So Gundy is better than Miles because he eventually won more at the same school immediately after Miles left, but Miles isn't better than Saban even though he won more at the same school immediately after Saban left?
To be clear, I don't believe Miles is better than Saban, but I'm pointing out the flaw in your logic.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:15 am to Howyouluhdat
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I honestly think that if a group of successful coaches at any level sat around in a circle and seriously talked football scheming, formations, zones, techniques, etc that Miles would have a hard time doing so.
I agree, I do not believe that Miles has a very sophisticated football IQ
but I give him credit for being a very good program manager, which I consider to be the greater role of the HC, although I'm aware HCs are judged by wins and losses at the end of the day
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 11:17 am
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:16 am to Bmath
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Talked with a family friend yesterday that played ball in the SEC. His assessment, FWIW, was not talent or coaching that has been killing LSU in football as of late. It's the lack of senior players in the trenches. Guys bolting for the NFL the past five years has really killed the Tigers when they go up against teams like Alabama that are mostly starting juniors and seniors on their line. Putting freshmen and sophomores up against guys that have four years in the program is asking boys to go up against grown men in most cases.
IMO the lines are the most important positions. How many db's and wr's does LSU need?
The lines get neglected for these positions, then db's and wr's transfer out. How's those top recruiting classes doing now?
Elite recruiter my arse.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:16 am to lsupride87
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Knowing the facts we know now, this seems plausible to you?
I think Miles was a better coach back then
and Saban wasn't the GOAT that he is now
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:18 am to Bmath
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Guys bolting for the NFL the past five years has really killed the Tigers when they go up against teams like Alabama that are mostly starting juniors and seniors on their line
LSU used "3 & done" as a recruiting tactic for a few years. it seems they've stopped that.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:18 am to slackster
quote:Nope. I am using the previous 10 years worth of data, not the 1 following season
So Gundy is better than Miles because he eventually won more at the same school immediately after Miles left, but Miles isn't better than Saban even though he won more at the same school immediately after Saban left?
quote:Nope
but I'm pointing out the flaw in your logic.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:18 am to Salmon
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and Saban wasn't the GOAT that he is now
Saban was building LSU. Yall can talk about his record at LSU and how it wasn't as good as what CLM did when he took over but there isn't one poster on this website that can say they honestly believe our program would be where it is today had CLM followed Dinardo. No way we have 2 BCS titles...no way!
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:20 am to El Campo Tiger
Before miles got to OSU they had 1 winning season from 1988- until miles was hired. He turned them into a respectable program. You cant do that without being able to coach.
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 11:24 am
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:21 am to Topwater Trout
quote:We would still be jovial about the Peach bowl. So there would be that
had CLM followed Dinardo
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:22 am to lsupride87
damn you make a good point...so lsu football would be fun b/c we wouldn't be wasting great talent
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:23 am to RedTigerRulz
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you dont know this with any certainty.
Well when you don't play everyone then yeah.
Just like you don't know with any certainty that LSU would lose to Michigan.
I'm just saying other teams, other coaches don't run that gauntlet. Don't face teams year in and year out that can recruit at a high level.
Look at Meyer. TOSU is not playing the same type of schedule he had to at UF every year.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:26 am to Salmon
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agree, I do not believe that Miles has a very sophisticated football IQ
I disagree.
Yeah he may be stuck in his ways, but the guy knows football. Just watch practice. He's coaching up those boys.
Hell, go back and watch some old call in shows at Oklahoma state. He actually got serious football talk and not some retarded fricks asking about knee braces and Erin Andrews peep hole.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:27 am to Topwater Trout
What great talent have we wasted recently? Have you checked out our last 2 draft classes?
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:30 am to Number 31
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But spare me the Harbaugh hype until he has the hardware that Miles has earned.
Agree. What has Harbaugh actually won? Jack and or shite. That's what.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:33 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:We have the most players drafted in the entire nation over the last 5 years.
What great talent have we wasted recently?
Our results:
17
unranked
14
12
2
1/5 years wasnt wasted
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:35 am to dgnx6
To OP:
Miles vs recruit but can't coach is false. LSU 's biggest problem has been recruiting. Sure we get top classed every year but we have not recruited a good team. How good can a team be that does not have anyone on the team that can throw?
Miles vs recruit but can't coach is false. LSU 's biggest problem has been recruiting. Sure we get top classed every year but we have not recruited a good team. How good can a team be that does not have anyone on the team that can throw?
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:39 am to lsupride87
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e have the most players drafted in the entire nation over the last 5 years
The players drafted in 2012 means nothing to recent teams.
In 2013 we were 6th in recruiting and in 2012 we were 18th.
Top 16 finishes while playing in the most talent rich division in cfb isnt wasted.
Only someone thats ignorant to cfb would say a top 15 finish is wasted.
We finish 16th last year. Not 17th.
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 11:41 am
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