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re: Hannigrif says Orgeron made Canada makes changes by game 3.

Posted on 5/28/19 at 3:58 pm to
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 3:58 pm to
Was not a dumb hire. Just a dumb way of 3-4 idiots mishandling a disagreement of philosophies.
Posted by jb21lsu
NWLA
Member since Mar 2018
2631 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 3:59 pm to
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In the toughest division of the toughest conference? Yes!


If we’re gonna cry about being in a tough conference or call losing 2+ games a season in that conference a “home run,” LSU needs to just join the big 12 and get it over with.

Of course, I’ve been here long enough to remember that Les didn’t get the luxury of that consideration when he was here. It seems it only applies for many of you now that O is coach.



Les won how many SEC West titles?
Les won how may SEC titles?
Les won how many national titles?

You cannot say that Les did not have that luxury, when in fact, he did.

How many years did Les have less than two losses?

At least 11 regular season wins and college football playoffs should be the floor this year. Anything less than that and CEO should have a hot seat.

Posted by jb21lsu
NWLA
Member since Mar 2018
2631 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:02 pm to
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On Orgeron 100 percent. He made a mistake. He recognized his mistake and fixed it.


I agree with that. The only problem I have is people who try to claim that Orgeron deserves zero blame for the hire.


Please link where someone said CEO deserves zero blame for the hire.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:04 pm to
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Who gives a shite?
That’s in the past. Look forward.


Exactly!

Canada, Troy, Ole Miss, Canada, Troy, Ole Miss, Canada, Troy, Ole Miss, Canada, Troy, Ole Miss, Canada, Troy, Ole Miss, Canada, Troy, Ole Miss, Canada, Troy, Ole Miss, Canada, Troy, Ole Miss, Canada, Troy, Ole Miss... Yada, Yada, Yada

LSU is one of the hottest football programs in the country in the Here And Now!

Go Tigers!
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 4:08 pm
Posted by Grey1030
Member since Oct 2012
171 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:04 pm to
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Different quarterback, OL and RB situation. We had Guice at that time. You get him the ball at all cost Likewise , we had a better O line , so quit shifting and line up and run a play. Finally, no need to run Ettling bc he was all we had at the QB position. Canada’s issuenis jot hisnoffense, it’s his play calling. He was all or nothing. He had well designed shifts, formations and plays but sometimes called them (inside the 15) at poor times.

This is the answer. By the Bama game, he had improved somewhat, giving us the only offensive points in 3 years. I distinctly remember wondering why we were running misdirection at the 15.

Personally I think Canada was sold a bill of goods if you will about how talented we were(n’t) at certain positions. But, as a schemer he is excellent, as a play caller, he is average. A great OC knows how to manage a game with his play calling, not just his scheme.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
84082 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:08 pm to
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Go Tigers!


Fake fan alert.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47859 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:09 pm to
Well Orgeron did the same exact thing to Ensminger last season so it’s hard to believe this is just a coincidence.
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 4:18 pm
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:13 pm to
The O-Bashers are on this site 24/7 365 pissing on any comment that supports the 2019 team. They're becoming a caricature of themselves.

6 or 7 relentless haters. Pathetic.
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 4:20 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:22 pm to
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Canada lacked the ability to slow it the frick down and try to keep the defense off the filed.

That's not why LSU lost that game, State scored enough points in the 2nd quarter to win. They weren't scoring those points because the defense was gassed in the 1st half, Mullen was simply out-scheming Aranda. It wouldn't be his last time to do so either.
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It was a bad hire from jump.

And yet LSU running Canada's offense scored more points in one game than LSU scored in the two other games against Alabama under O.

I thought Canada's scheme was a good one. It spread the opposing defense out, and ran the ball in the gaps. LSU would do this occasionally under Arnsparger the year before, with good success, but not very often. I was hoping year two of Canada would include more passing from the same formations.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36021 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:26 pm to
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I thought Canada's scheme was a good one. It spread the opposing defense out, and ran the ball in the gaps. LSU would do this occasionally under Arnsparger the year before, with good success, but not very often. I was hoping year two of Canada would include more passing from the same formations


Review Canada’s career and you’ll see he was a run first coach.

Look at Canada’s numbers before and after LSU. Passing took a back seat to the run.

Where is he now btw?
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171036 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:34 pm to
5 page thread on an OC from 2 years ago. This place is so sad.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:44 pm to
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Review Canada’s career and you’ll see he was a run first coach.

So?

I was still looking forward to more passing after year one. I wasn't looking forward to abandoning the running game, just more passing.
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Passing took a back seat to the run.

Yes, I still think he was going to add more passing options from the same formations. I really liked spreading out the defense to run on.
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Where is he now btw?

I believe he's at Maryland.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47859 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:47 pm to
Nah Maryland hired an entire new staff but Canada turned down offers from Indiana, Pitt and a head coaching offer from Northern Illinois so this narrative that he can’t get a job is false.
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 4:50 pm
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13020 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:49 pm to
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Wasn’t it due to the depleted line not being ready/healthy enough to handle the up tempo/blocking?



Because who better to evaluate what the offense should do than a career defensive line coach.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57681 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:50 pm to
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try to claim that Orgeron deserves zero blame for the hire.


Has anyone said this? This seems like another straw man argument in the field of scarecrows that you guys keep trotting out.
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13020 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:51 pm to
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but they clearly didn't share the same vision on offense.


See my above post.
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:55 pm to
The point of this thread is that you let your damn OC coach and do what you hired him to do. Do not handcuff him, and have him make changes to his offense, otherwise, run the damn offense yourself if you're going to do that crap. He not only did that with Canada, but Miles did it with Cameron, but Cameron was much more agreeable to what Miles wanted to do. But if Orgeron doesn't open it up this season than he needs to go, yeah, sure the offense did improve this past season, but you still saw it as a more run dominant type of offense that got stagnant in games at times. He (Orgeron) must allow Brady to do his job this season and not interfere, stay the hell out of the offense, period. Let this man do what he's proposing to do with a lot of quick strike passing to WR's running short routes with the QB taking quick 3 to 5 step drops and getting rid of the ball. Also, with the QB hitting the RB's out of the backfield, and usage of the TE being a lot more involved. In other words a lot of what the Saints do.
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 5:10 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36021 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:57 pm to
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I was still looking forward to more passing after year one. I wasn't looking forward to abandoning the running game, just more passing.

Review his career and I believe you’ll find passing numbers weren’t going up.

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I believe he's at Maryland.


He isn’t working right now.
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13020 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 4:58 pm to
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Where is the problem?



When your head coach is clueless on offense.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36021 posts
Posted on 5/28/19 at 5:00 pm to
I agree it was a hot mess.

Orgeron or Orgeron/Alleva were at fault.

O has yet to prove he can put a top O on the field at LSU.

Like many I’m hopeful but we need to do it.
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