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re: Hannigrif says Orgeron made Canada makes changes by game 3.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:12 am to lsu2006
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:12 am to lsu2006
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Man, you're gonna pull something if you keep reaching like this. Be careful.
you think a team that is snapping the ball with 3 seconds or less every play isn't helping the defense?
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Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:12 am to Topwater Trout
Wouldn’t that control the clock?
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:14 am to lsu2006
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In 2018 there were 6 false start penalties combined in the first three games.
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Oh boy. How can we pin this on Canada???
There were 5 offensive penalties in the first half for BYU. Motion, illegal shifts, etc. One of those was holding.
We had 30 total penalties after 3 games. Penalties decreased after that dramatically.
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 11:17 am
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:15 am to Goldrush25
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Wait what?
What does his resume consist of other than recruiting?
Recruiting doesn't make one a good coach, brother. It means you have an attribute that great coaches have
So you ignore the last three years as head coach. I guess you need to let us know what counts. Canada doesn't have the resume that O has and that can't be disputed.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:17 am to Topwater Trout
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you think a team that is snapping the ball with 3 seconds or less every play isn't helping the defense?
I'm not sure what you're driving at here. Are you saying that snapping it late in the play clock allows the defense to jump the snap? Do you have some proof that LSU was snapping the ball with 3 seconds or less every play? Id think that unless we snap it at the exact time on the play clock every play you are grasping at straws here. In any event, this is pure conjecture. Even if we do assume that Canada's shifts were the direct cause of every holding or illegal block call (which is a huge stretch), I think that's still like 12-13 penalties over 3 games that are attributable to his offense. Not ideal obviously, but not some huge, glaring issue that people want it to be.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
30 total penalties
Not all of them were offensive penalties
Not all of them can be blamed on presnap motions
Not all of them were offensive penalties
Not all of them can be blamed on presnap motions
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
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We had 30 total penalties after 3 games.
3 of them were false starts and 2 illegal shifts.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:19 am to nola000
Question, what do you do when you go up tempo with a depleted D line?
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:22 am to nola000
Oh boy............... 
You don't think he knows a little about how an offense works?
Not really the same.
See above. Not the same.
The CEO in both of your scenarios will absolutely get involved if they don't like what the engineering dept/furniture makers are putting out. They are ultimately responsible for the final product and have the final say in all decisions. If they don't they are seen as weak leaders.
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The way I see it, a former defensive line coach who's never even been a coordinator shouldn't be telling his offensive coordinator how to produce yards and points.
You don't think he knows a little about how an offense works?
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You think the CEO of Ford walks down to the engineering department and starts playing with the engineers CAD programs?
Not really the same.
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You think the CEO of Bassett Furniture walks down to the shop floor and tells his laborers how to set up the mortising and rabbeting machines?
See above. Not the same.
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They set goals. He tells his engineers he wants an SUV that gets 30 mpg on the highway. Now figure it out. He tells his labors he wants a rocking chair that can meet a 5000 count duty cycle. Figure it out.
The CEO in both of your scenarios will absolutely get involved if they don't like what the engineering dept/furniture makers are putting out. They are ultimately responsible for the final product and have the final say in all decisions. If they don't they are seen as weak leaders.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There were 5 offensive penalties in the first half for BYU. Motion, illegal shifts, etc. One of those was holding.
We had 30 total penalties after 3 games. Penalties decreased after that dramatically.
Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet brother.
You don't freak out and fundamentally change the offense after week 3 because of some growing pains. Why, as a non-football coach do I realize that and the actual football coach didn't?
Just admit it, he panicked. He's a highly emotionally charged guy. It's helpful in some aspects of his coaching, and detrimental in others.
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 11:32 am
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:26 am to TigerLunatik
Right or wrong, good or bad Canada was not allowed neither the time nor the freedom to do his thing. LSU spent 2.5 million on a OC who was here one season. It turned out to be a colossal screwup.
Now, we are going to try another method to upgrade our offensive production. Hopefully, this one will fare far better than the last two.
Now, we are going to try another method to upgrade our offensive production. Hopefully, this one will fare far better than the last two.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:28 am to MightyYat
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The CEO in both of your scenarios will absolutely get involved if they don't like what the engineering dept/furniture makers are putting out.
After 3 weeks?
That's not a strong leader, that's an insecure control freak.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:32 am to KennesawTiger
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After 3 weeks?
That's not a strong leader, that's an insecure control freak.
Maybe. If those assembly lines took whatever the Ford/furniture equivalent to a 37-7 arse beating to State is. They would absolutely try to stop the bleeding.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:47 am to MightyYat
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Maybe. If those assembly lines took whatever the Ford/furniture equivalent to a 37-7 arse beating to State is. They would absolutely try to stop the bleeding.
Or maybe understand that when you're doing something new like installing a new scheme that there will be some bleeding regardless. I don't think you make drastic changes to an offense if you understand and you expect those growing pains.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:50 am to Goldrush25
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You don't freak out and fundamentally change the offense after week 3
What was fundamentally changed?
So far, I'll ive heard is opinion.
The offense didn't look drastically different, minus the penalties, the remainder of the season.
In fact, game three didn't look any different than game one.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:53 am to GeeOH
quote:I strongly urge you to look up the word contradictory. Canada was an extremely important hire and O totally blew it. It was also one of the main reasons O got the job because he promised to have the best offensive coach in the country.
Canada was a disaster and none of the team bought in to it. He exposed the little qb talent we had to injury, and our OL sucked.
Argue away, but the O hire is turning into being a home run..if he wins 10 this year.
Canada and Ensminger? Think he fullfilled that promise.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 11:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
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We had 30 total penalties after 3 games. Penalties decreased after that dramatically.
How do defensive and special teams penalties impact the implementation of offense? For that matter, how does a holding penalty or personal foul committed by the offense?
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:00 pm to KennesawTiger
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After 3 weeks?
That's not a strong leader, that's an insecure control freak.
Sure you do if your production schedule is only 3 months long.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:02 pm to Topwater Trout
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Up-tempo, spread sets, Etc are exactly what you're supposed to run when you have a depleted offensive line or one with a huge talent disparity between itself in their opponent.
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yeh if you're passing...not when you are a running team
Don't you even draw play, bro? Do you know what happens to the spacing on a defensive line when you show pass play with formation, personnel and especially after the snap when the offensive linemen stand up and backpedal?
Giant holes for the run game.
That's what happens.
But it has to be practiced. A lot. The timing to handoff the ball, QB RB exchange, is crucial for its success. Too early and the front seven recognize and close in on it. Too late and the pocket collapses and the running back can never get to the hole.
If you time it just right and the offensive line can clinch a little bit, it's devastating. Especially at the college level where DL gap discipline is weaker than at the pro level.
Why do you think the power spread works so well at the college level?
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:05 pm to Goldrush25
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Just admit it, he panicked. He's a highly emotionally charged guy. It's helpful in some aspects of his coaching, and detrimental in others.
I'll admit that after taking a loss to MS State that the entire process needed to be looked at. The offense production and penalties were a huge problem. The biggest issue was the lack of offensive production resulting in short drives was causing an bigger issue with an already shorthanded defense in the front 7.
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