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re: Guilbeau says LSU assistants wanted to pass more at Bama

Posted on 7/18/16 at 2:47 pm to
Posted by Mayhawman
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Posted on 7/18/16 at 2:47 pm to
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Even Miles supporters should be able to admit that our offense was fairly predictable last year.
OK, quick quiz for you and Mirrolure.
Without googling, on what down was LSU most likely to pass last year?

ETA: crickets
I'm sure you seers could predict gap, ISO, Counter, Belly, Power, I/O Zone etc, etc, etc, also for each run.
This post was edited on 7/18/16 at 3:08 pm
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 7/18/16 at 3:02 pm to
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we should be balanced so we don't experience problems when we go into "passing mode." It's just common sense.


You'll get no argument from me on that point. At the time we had a corps of receivers with at least two years of significant playing time. Highly recruited receivers that by that time should have been used to playing in big games against big tough defenses. The O line should have been able to adapt and transition on a whim to the pass and kept the Bama defense honest.

A'Shawn had a monster day though...he was on and was extremely disruptive both one on one and even on double teams.
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 7/18/16 at 3:04 pm to
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Thisnis the epitome of revisionist history. Prior to the bama game our oline was considered one of the best in the country and bama had been run on by Tenn


actually they had quite a few posters on here saying the same thing you are saying. I tried explaining to them that Bama had a very strong deep and very talented front 7 unlike any we had faced and that our o-line had no chance of getting any push, only to be told the same thing you are saying about how good they thought our O-line was and that we would be able to get some push against their front 7. That's fine that many of the posters thought we would be able to open up running lanes but I would expect Miles and Cam to be more knowledgeable than the average poster and at least as knowledgeable as I am.

When the first play got stuffed, as I knew it would, the tone was set and I knew the game was over.

It's not revisionist history, it's just being aware of our offenses limitations and what we were up against

If we would have come out with a play action pass or a bootleg run by Harris, successful or not, the game could have taken a whole other arc line.

Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 7/18/16 at 3:09 pm to
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Sorry, but that's just silly. The 2nd play was inc pass, 3rd a sack,


that's the whole point. The first pass play was on second down. The first pass play should have been on first down when it had a chance of working.
Posted by Mayhawman
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 7/18/16 at 3:11 pm to
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If we would have come out with a play action pass or a bootleg run by Harris, successful or not, the game could have taken a whole other arc line
So the run on 1st down caused incomplete on 2nd and sack on 3rd? Cmon.
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 7/18/16 at 3:14 pm to
WE still most likely lose the game just due to the talent differential but we still should have been running an offense prior to that game that would have given us a fighting chance against them when we did face them.


I think things will be different this coming season and MIles and Cam have finally come to terms with a few things regarding offense football that will make a difference this coming season.
Posted by Mayhawman
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Posted on 7/18/16 at 3:20 pm to
How did the 1st play LSU opened the 2nd half with work out?
There wasa sack and numerous other 1st down incompleions IIRC.
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 7/18/16 at 3:25 pm to
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So the run on 1st down caused incomplete on 2nd and sack on 3rd? Cmon.


with our talent disadvantage, yes, we had to be the one taking the initiative and setting the tone. We needed them reacting to us instead of us reacting to them. lSU lining up in the I and running straight into their strength on first down on the first play of the game and getting stuffed (as anyone with any sense would have known was going to happen) let them set the tone of how the game would go.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
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Posted on 7/18/16 at 3:27 pm to
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How did the 1st play LSU opened the 2nd half with work out? There wasa sack and numerous other 1st down incompleions IIRC.


didn't matter, game was over after the first play
Posted by Mayhawman
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 7/18/16 at 3:44 pm to
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didn't matter, game was over after the first play
13-10 at half is over? You're reaching. For the record, LSU passed on 1st more than any other down last year.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 4:20 pm to
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come on, Rick. Even Miles supporters should be able to admit that our offense was fairly predictable last ye


Failry predictable isnt guessing right 85% of the time.
quote:

By comparison, I'd watch Kiffin's offense, not just against us but other teams too, and marvel at the play-calling. Not just run vs. pass, but the varied plays and formations, uses of different skill positions, short vs. long, middle of the field vs. outside the numbers, etc.

And by the way, I think Kiffin is a tool. But he runs a damn good offense.


It must pain you that our stale predictable offense was more productive and scored more points than that MARVELOUS offense you said is at bama.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 4:23 pm to
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actually they had quite a few posters on here saying the same thing you are saying. I tried explaining to them that Bama had a very strong deep and very talented front 7 unlike any we had faced and that our o-line had no chance of getting any push, only to be told the same thing you are saying about how good they thought our O-line was and that we would be able to get some push against their front 7.


Tenn had run for 132 yards against bama with worse oline and worse rb corp. Stop acting like everyone knew they would shut our run game down like they did. It just isnt true.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 4:26 pm to
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By comparison, I'd watch Kiffin's offense, not just against us but other teams too, and marvel at the play-calling.


This needs reposting. 2015 lsu finished ahead of bama in offensive yards per game, offensive yards per play,and offensive points per game.
So if you saw Bama's offense as marvelous then lsu's offense must've been life changing. Either that or you have a bias toward lsu offense.
Posted by Weaver
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 7/18/16 at 5:10 pm to
Not shocked at this news.
Posted by 24chevrolet48
Beat Street
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/18/16 at 5:20 pm to
quote:

quote:
I can guess when we're going to pass. (85% correct) And even higher % of when we going to Run the ball. When we pass, One of the main problems there is no element of surprise for the defense.


bullshite. If you could you would be on a sec staff. My god.




Rickdaddy4188

Ok Rick 85% might be a tad too high, but the guy isn't far off. I'd say 75% ... I sit in TS and I know the predictable Les Miles offense that well. Yes, I think the coaches in the SEC with talent can Regularly beat a Les Miles coached team, just like what we have seen the last 4 years.


Sadly , this season has the same formula as Many LSU teams of the pass.

1. Weak QB
2. Same Game Plans
3. A offense Not willing to adapt. (Stubborn Head Coach)
This post was edited on 7/18/16 at 5:26 pm
Posted by madddoggydawg
Metairie
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/18/16 at 5:26 pm to
What I don't get is how journalists today write an article that does not even once mention the attention-grabbing headline.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 5:46 pm to
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Ok Rick 85% might be a tad too high, but the guy isn't far off. I'd say 75% ... I sit in TS and I know the predictable Les Miles offense that well

No you dont or youd be on a sec staff.

Even if you do guess 75 % its only because you have a 50% chance of guessing the play.
You would also learn the tendencies of other programs that youd follow like you follow lsu.
Again, those great Oregon offenses ran all of 3 rushing plays. Everyone in the stadium knew they were running zone read. They just execute. You do realize that all those great spread offenses run far smaller variations of plays, right? Our offensive formations are far more diverse than a spread team's formations.
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Yes, I think the coaches in the SEC with talent can Regularly beat a Les Miles coached team,

The best coach in cfb ( saban ) with by far the best talent ( 4 straight #1 classes) GETS BEAT every year.
Miles has dominated teams that recruit on the level of lsu.
quote:

just like what we have seen the last 4 years.

Were you shitting on Saban's tenure? Our last 5 years have a better win loss record than Saban's tenure at lsu.

quote:

Sadly , this season has the same formula as Many LSU teams of the pass.

So you're saying this is a bad thing?
The lsu teams of past gave us the best tenure in lsu history or have you forgotten that Miles tenure is the best in school history.

quote:

A offense Not willing to adapt. (Stubborn Head Coach)



Adapt to what?


Its amazing how all these posters on here are far better at recognizing presnap offense better than every SEC dc.

quote:

Same Game Plans


What? You dont really believe that Miles doesnt change the gameplan from week to week,do you?
This post was edited on 7/18/16 at 6:01 pm
Posted by dukke v
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Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 7/18/16 at 6:22 pm to
Why must you continue to diubd like a broken record???? You have some serious self esteem issues and are starved for attention.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112530 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 6:33 pm to
Well...no shite.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 7/18/16 at 6:57 pm to
quote:

I think the coaches in the SEC with talent can Regularly beat a Les Miles coached team


In the last 4 yrs LSU is 2nd in the west for SEC wins.

In the last 11 yrs LSU is 2nd nationally among Power 5 teams for wins. In the last 11 yrs LSU is 2nd for wins in the SEC.

Miles has beaten top 20 teams 42 times, top 10 teams 16 times, and NC coaches 16 times.

I am gonna have to call BS on your "I think the coaches in the SEC with talent can Regularly beat a Les Miles coached team".

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