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re: Great video of Mike Detillier on LSU’s disconnect from the summer

Posted on 12/11/20 at 8:53 am to
Posted by Clark W Griswold
THE USA
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/11/20 at 8:53 am to
I coach youth football and I see it. If a college program like LSU can’t do this than they don’t have the right people.

I think they need to clean house and start fresh and you’ll see a 4th coach in a row win a title here. The formula isn’t hard.
Posted by mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
4517 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 8:56 am to
We already knew this
Posted by HoustonTigerNKaty
Member since Aug 2018
861 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 9:01 am to
So as a classroom teacher with teenagers I took the approach long ago (borrowed from a college coach I know well, not football) that this classroom is a bubble where political topics, current events, social issues, etc aren’t going to be discussed or argued. It is part of day one “Thou Shalt Nots” but I offer a caveat that any time a student feels a burning need to get something off their chest about those topics I will be happy to have that conversation and hear them before or after school.

It’s a successful approach of saying to the kids “what you say/think matters” without creating a divisive culture.

Where I think Saban outplayed O is he let his players know he cares— from the rumor mill CEO just pretty much blew it off.
Posted by Byrdybyrd05
Member since Nov 2014
26412 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 9:07 am to
I feel the same way. I think Saban listened to his players and said ok we will March but let’s do it on Monday since we don’t have practice that day. I feel like the players asked coach O lets march on Friday and coach O said no we have practice and that players marched anyway without him. He made the comments about listening to his players after they marched to the BOS building.
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14478 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 9:09 am to
Saban concluded that it's best to allow these kids to be
marginalized pawns of the DNC if it means keeping them happy. Once they leave his team, whatever happens happens.
Posted by TC7
Member since Aug 2020
215 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 9:16 am to
quote:

Drew folded like a cheap napkin leaving his "honoring of his war vet father and grandfather" just meaningless memories.His words are empty...


And yet he listened to his teammates and was understanding and empathetic and look at that the Saints are the best team in the NFC. It’s almost like being a leader is about understanding those you are leading and keeping those around you happy leads to results. Maybe O should take a page out of Brees book.
Posted by AllenTXTiger
Dallas, TX Area
Member since Oct 2004
626 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 11:53 am to
justustm2
You beat me to the punch. Well said, these stereotypes and dumb innuendo about blacks falls in line with the agenda driven media who continues to brain wash fearful and mislead people.
Posted by Geauxboy
NW Arkansas
Member since Oct 2006
4856 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 12:02 pm to
whatiknowsofar

So facts are racist and make your pussy bleed? Got it
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
12048 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 12:32 pm to
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Well, when adversity hits and you have kids looking for the Leader, the Leader has 3 choices, he/she can choose to do the RIGHT thing, he/she can choose to do the WRONG thing, but the worst thing a Leader cannot do is choose to do NOTHING.

Coach O for whatever reason and in the eyes of those that depended on him made the WRONG choice


There was no GOD DAMNED ADVERSITY. Not a frickING thing that happened had any personal effect on a single LSU player except for the drama they created for themselves.

Most of them were at LSU when Wayde Sims was shot and killed. They were here a year earlier when Clyde Edward Helaire and Jared Small were accosted at gun point and could have been shot while selling an XBOX. In both instances the perpetrators were black. Where was the outrage then when something occurred which really affected them?
This post was edited on 12/11/20 at 12:42 pm
Posted by Klingler7
Houston
Member since Nov 2009
12528 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 2:44 pm to
I don’t think Saban is a completely altruistic individual. I think like most coaches he is a political figure that will say or do anything to keep himself empowered at his university/football program. It’s how life works but unfortunately, Ed O was too aloof to understand how the game is played with minority recruits.
Posted by HoustonTigerNKaty
Member since Aug 2018
861 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 2:52 pm to
BLMX2BP

Black Lives Matter Except To Black People.
Posted by CottonWasKing
4,8,15,16,23,42
Member since Jun 2011
29477 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 2:53 pm to
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Kids today will always find something to be upset about or that hurts their delicate feelings



Funny. Every other school has the same generation of kids and no other program worth a damn is dealing with these issues on this scale
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
12048 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 3:11 pm to
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It’s how life works but unfortunately, Ed O was too aloof to understand how the game is played with minority recruits.


I noticed that, too. I was wondering why we had a team of 90% white players
Posted by learnthehardway
B.R./Northshore
Member since Oct 2007
10023 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 5:06 pm to
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Coaches like Saban are just smarter and get ahead of issues before they happen.


bullshite.
Saban is a fantastic football coach, I'd say the best of my lifetime. the man lives and breathes football and the results show.


He isn't some super intelligent, socially tuned in infallible genius. I actually saw another thread where he was referred to as "sophisticated" come on man!?!? I personally found the fact the he walked 15 feet in front of his (90% black) team for bamas social justice march to be borderline offensive itself and a look at me moment for the little man with the huge ego. LSU'S record vs him has been very disappointing lately but ige seen the man take beatings here and there, get outcoached and occasionally flat outsmarted.
After he left LSU and discovered that he wasn't cut out for an environment where you manage grown men with money and options instead of kids who's entire future could rest on staying out of his dog house look where he landed. tell me any program that is top to bottom 100% dedicated to the success of their CFB team in a way that even rivals Alabama. I think that he is a great coach, very dedicated and would do very well nearly anywhere but bama football is an intricate machine with resources and shite that I cant even imagine all laser focused on one thing, winning football games. his success there shouldn't surprise anyone.

Again yes... the man is a fantastic football coach. he is not some genius, he isn't plugged into the pulse of today's complex racial issues. The bama football machine I would imagine is, Nick Saban himself naaaa, no more than any other high profile coach. Sophisticated? Nick Saban? Gets in front of problems before they surface? Eh, maybe, probably. any more than other top tier CFB coaches? Nope.
This post was edited on 12/11/20 at 5:09 pm
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 5:11 pm to
If this is the way the players respond, then they are all snow flakes.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 5:16 pm to
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So when a student athlete starts organizing a march for social justice for Floyd and Taylor (people they don't know, aren't part of the family,not part of LSU, and it's a based on misinformation of what happened in these cases) that's when I call a team meeting and I do all the educating of facts to undo what the media has been teaching


I agree as that is the moral thing to do, but in a world of lies it would amount to professional suicide which O may have committed anyway.

Posted by Makavellimw
Stockbridge,Georgia
Member since Sep 2008
633 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 5:33 pm to
@ApexTiger
but, you mention the main point, as a coach or dad you have to talk to your players and what coach O did when he went on fox news saying this and that praising trump and you are going back to LSU where the majority of the team is black viewing or hearing what you did or said on fox news with what is going on is not and did not fair well with his black players. And now it's coming out that there was some discontent in the locker room between the players and coach O.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 12/11/20 at 5:38 pm to
How do you KNOW that is what happened.
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