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re: Great article about depth issues..orgeron is definitely facing a challenge..
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:47 pm to lsu2006
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:47 pm to lsu2006
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Holy. shite. This is now the 2nd person in this thread acting like O's tenure at Ole Miss was a net positive. Hey they won 9 games with Nutt and all it took was 3 years of absolute misery... Sign me up!
I think this qualifies as the acceptance stage.
Good for them. They are coming around.
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 2:02 pm to L S Usetheforce
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But Ole Miss had their best OL and DL for the subsequent 3 years following his departure... Nutt obliges.
Says who? Thats an opinion. Here is a fact:
Coach O vs Miss St. in his first season at Ole Miss 2005 (Miss St 35-Ole Miss 14) 2nd Worst loss to Miss St. since 1930's. Ole Miss had won the last 4 out of 5 games in the series before his arrival.
Fast forward 12 years. (Miss St. 37-LSU 7)
Worst loss in LSU Miss St. series history. LSU was 16-1 in the last 17 games against Miss. St.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 2:03 pm to Bengal26
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Makes a lot of sense. Goes to show you its more of a "rebuild" type of job for O than people want to admit. I see people often say that the reason they hired O was to avoid rebuilding but how do you explain these numbers? How can you not say we have a lot of rebuilding before we can really consider us a contender again?
In my opinion, the huge melt is a result of misguided expectations.. all offseason people said ‘yes we’re fine because we have (insert star player here)’, but never took into account our depth issues.. yea we knew about the o line’s problems, but not once during the off-season did anyone mention the lack of depth at LB, d-line, etc....
May take some time, but we will be fine eventually
Posted on 9/22/17 at 2:05 pm to Buryl
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D-line due to years of poor recruiting
Who coached the DL for three years, recruited for the DL for three years, was heavily into team recruiting for two years, and going into his second year for calling all team decisions? I only know of one person who answers all those questions.
It's laughingly predictable that last Friday we had people shouting out how much more talented we were than Mississippi State, how much better coached we are now as opposed to 2016, and how badly we would beat them only to drastically change their opinion on almost everything in six fricking days.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 2:08 pm to LSU Groupee
quote:This. A complete 180 happened
It's laughingly predictable that last Friday we had people shouting out how much more talented we were than Mississippi State, how much better coached we are now as opposed to 2016, and how badly we would beat them only to drastically change their opinion on almost everything in six fricking days
People were enraged we were so disrespected to only be ranked #12.....
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 9/22/17 at 2:10 pm to LSU Groupee
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It's laughingly predictable that last Friday we had people shouting out how much more talented we were than Mississippi State, how much better coached we are now as opposed to 2016, and how badly we would beat them only to drastically change their opinion on almost everything in six fricking days
Are you sure it’s the same exact people? Or are you just using the rant’s voice as a whole entity?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 2:14 pm to Mr. Hangover
quote:It is the same people from a macro level.
Are you sure it’s the same exact people? Or are you just using the rant’s voice as a whole entity?
This board went from we look great, talent is great, offense looks different, how are we only #12, to, we are thin, not talented, rebuild all in one day.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 2:18 pm to lsupride87
Isn’t it funny how your opinion of rain is always different when you’re standing in it?
Sometimes you don’t know the slab is busted up until you pull up the floor
Sometimes you don’t know the slab is busted up until you pull up the floor
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 9/22/17 at 2:25 pm to LSU Groupee
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It's laughingly predictable that last Friday we had people shouting out how much more talented we were than Mississippi State, how much better coached we are now as opposed to 2016, and how badly we would beat them only to drastically change their opinion on almost everything in six fricking days.
It is mixed, but yeah the general sentiment was pretty strong. I did find some nice ones though:
Caveat: These are quotes from everyone, all sides, etc. Just a fun romp...
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We're not going to lose to MSUits just ridiculous to think otherwise.
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Mississippi State always starts out strong. We have superior talent- and I believe better overall coaching. This is a game we should win.
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No one outside of the Rant thinks we're losing to MSU. The same place that bought into the Stidham/Auburn hype.
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This staff would have beat Wisconsin.
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God Damnit Miles did a number to our Fans.
Get over it pussies. We going to curb stomp these mutts.
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You did the same thing with byu. Newsflash, state isn't that good, Lsu is 13 point favorite and their win total in Vegas is 5.5.
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This isn't miles team anymore. CEO aint miles and Canada aint CCC. Aranda's going to fk up that shiny new toy State calls their offense.
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Where are we as a program if we think we are going to lose to miss state
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They have wins over a FCS school and LA Tech. What more do they need? I do find it funny they've convinced themselves they have as much talent as the top SEC teams though.
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They'll have th best player on the field in Fitzgerald
Lester got laughed at for the above.
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Big test for the young DBs maybe i'm looking through p&g glasses, but i'm really not worried about this. i'm more worried about our offense.
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Fitzgerald is a joke and Aranda and LSU's defense will prove that in convincing fashion on Saturday.
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Mississippi State can hang w/ the Tigers, but for no more than a half. LSU > MSU at virtually every position, with more depth. The exceptions are quarterback and placekicker.
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But we beat them and are a far superior team than that team was We have a superior OC as well They have played no one just as us LA tech was up on them until the talent gap and mistakes happened We should be fine.. unless their d is Alabama or UF worthy
Posted on 9/22/17 at 2:28 pm to Freauxzen
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They have wins over a FCS school and LA Tech. What more do they need? I do find it funny they've convinced themselves they have as much talent as the top SEC teams though.
This was me and I stand by it. MSU does not have as much talent at the top tier SEC teams.
Problem is this year that's only one team, and it's Alabama. Everyone else is somewhere between meh-shite.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 2:30 pm to RB10
Yeah it doesn't mean to call out anyone in particular, just the general sentiments in relation to conversations now.
I'd agree. It's more along the lines of the rebuild narrative for in LSU in relation to MSU's talent.
Sadly yes.
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This was me and I stand by it. MSU does not have as much talent at the top tier SEC teams.
I'd agree. It's more along the lines of the rebuild narrative for in LSU in relation to MSU's talent.
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Everyone else is somewhere between meh-shite.
Sadly yes.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 2:32 pm to Freauxzen
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Freauxzen
I'm with you 100%. That post is spot on. The people claiming this was a rebuild from the beginning need to start linking their posts claiming it before the State game. I saw maybe three posters banging that drum and can only actually remember one, Schwartzy.
Dude called a 7 win season and loss to State before the season started.
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 9/22/17 at 2:47 pm to LSU Groupee
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Who coached the DL for three years, recruited for the DL for three years,
Orgeron wasn't hired by LSU until January 14 of 2015 - national signing day was February 4, but you're counting that as a whole year? He was the line coach/recruiting coordinator for a year and a half, not 3 years. The D-line has seen definite improvements since he's taken over. It won't undo the failures of previous 2-3 years though. Look at the chart from the article - from the 2014 and 2015 classes, of the defensive linemen, we only have 2 still on the team - Key and Clark. That's not on O. In 2016 alone we signed Lawrence, Alexander, and Logan, plus a bunch of ends. Our best haul in at least a decade.
People who thought this team was going to steamroll this year were delusional. They're going to struggle. 37-7 was a shock, and some of that has to go on Orgeron, but not all of it.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 2:58 pm to Freauxzen
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re: Why is anyone "worried" about MSU?
I'll give OP a worry post to thump his chest about.
LSU should've had more big gains by now playing those 2 scrubs.
I see a regression in 2nd level blocking and vs 2016 they've lost over a yard in ypc.
In 100+ att LSU has one rush over 20yds, a 25yd long and only 17 of 10+ yds.
This is much less breakaway % than vs last year's tougher schedule(so far).
<<<< This guy
ETA: I didn't fear a talent discrepancy as much as the smoke and mirrors scheme didn't seem to be nearly as effective as lead block/pulling vs the 1st 2 opp in run plays.
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 9/22/17 at 3:00 pm to Chrisb6586
I read the article this morning. Ross laid out the facts to support the message of the article. perhaps a stupid question...O was fully aware of the trending depth issues. I am not sure on the rules which is why it may be a stupid question, Why couldn't O look Juco last summer?
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 9/22/17 at 3:14 pm to sheek
At the end of day O will be judged on wins and losses. None of the excuses laid out by dellenger or the good people of south Louisiana will matter. if o continues to put a product on the field like last Saturday he won't last very long no matter how many excuses his fans come up with.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 3:27 pm to LSU Groupee
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Who coached the DL for three years, recruited for the DL for three years, was heavily into team recruiting for two years, and going into his second year for calling all team decisions? I only know of one person who answers all those questions.
Yeah i'm confused. The two weak spots for depth are the OL and DL and yet the two guys that recruited these positions are still here coaching. WOW! They must think this fanbase is as dumb as rocks. The sad Thing is depth is still an issue on OL and Dl because we only have a few from last year and this year we dont have many. Grimes cant get recruits to stay and can O recruit Dlineman while being the head coach. Pete jenkins is to old to be recruiting. We need to hire a Dline coach that can recruit and coach. I mean according to everyone we rebuilding then why keep pete jenkins? Mise well fire Grimes to at the end of the season as well if we go 8-4 or worse. Can only blame Miles for so long and i was not a mile supporter.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 3:39 pm to FLObserver
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Who coached the DL for three years, recruited for the DL for three years, was heavily into team recruiting for two years, and going into his second year for calling all team decisions? I only know of one person who answers all those questions.
Yeah i'm confused. The two weak spots for depth are the OL and DL and yet the two guys that recruited these positions are still here coaching. WOW! They must think this fanbase is as dumb as rocks.
No... Orgeron wasn't hired until January 2015. He was on staff less than 3 weeks before National Signing Day, at which point the recruiting class was already set. In 2015 we took a whopping TWO defensive linemen in that class - remember, this is right in the thick of the Chavis debacle, which likely played some role in our poor recruiting class.
In 2016, the first year with Orgeron at the helm of the Dline/Recruiting, we had a phenomenal Dline class. It's the only reason we are even remotely competitive right now.
I don't know if O is the man or not, but it's apparent that our fanbase IS as dumb as rocks.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 3:55 pm to Buryl
quote:I recall LSU signed like 5 DL in 2014 though.
In 2015 we took a whopping TWO defensive linemen in that class - remember, this is right in the thick of the Chavis debacle, which likely played some role in our poor recruiting class.
Every year isn't going to be a big position haul depending on need/talent availability, etc, and it's disingenuous for posters to point out single recruiting years.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 4:02 pm to Buryl
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Orgeron wasn't hired until January 2015. He
Is in his third year at LSU and failed in his recruiting efforts this year 70% of the time when LSU went after top 10 Louisiana recruits.
Blaming Les or his staff who have been gone a year for the shite show at Mississippi State is a move of the clueless but par for the course for those of that ilk.
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