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Posted on 9/19/11 at 9:54 pm to drexyl
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there are many variables youre leaving out in order to compare the teams. who did we play? where did we play? who was QB? who was the OL? RB? WR? this team is this team; you can't look at last years numbers and say if we replace player X with player Y you hey Z results. JL is the man right now and very little will Change that.
Again, if we are improved on offense than it would show up in the stats wouldn't it? This isn't Lee vs. JJ, this is just wondering what exactly is making people say we are "greatly improved" on offense.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 9:55 pm to omegaman66
compare lee's first 3 games of 2011 with JJ's first three games of 2010
Posted on 9/19/11 at 9:56 pm to Dalosaqy
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Or gets injured. JJ a credible back up. You don't send him packing.
from what everyone has seen, JJ would be 3rd string, not second.
Mett = better than JJ in the small sample of live action we've seen
Posted on 9/19/11 at 9:57 pm to TheDoc
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compare lee's first 3 games of 2011 with JJ's first three games of 2010
Doc, I think that was about the time you saw the light?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 9:58 pm to TheDoc
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from what everyone has seen, JJ would be 3rd string, not second.
Mett = better than JJ in the small sample of live action we've seen
Agree x1,000
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:02 pm to TheDoc
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compare lee's first 3 games of 2011 with JJ's first three games of 2010
Lee: 68% 140 ypg 3 tds 1 int
JJ: 58% 137 ypg 3 tds 2 ints
JJ(last 3 games of 10): 62% 247 ypg 6 tds 2 ints
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:05 pm to ZTiger87
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Again, if we are improved on offense than it would show up in the stats wouldn't it?
Yes, when the sample sizes are the same. You are comparing 12 games to 2.
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This isn't Lee vs. JJ, this is just wondering what exactly is making people say we are "greatly improved" on offense.
Without even factoring JJ vs Lee, this offense has an identity. They have a plan on how they want to beat the other team and they can execute it.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:06 pm to Icansee4miles
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Doc, I think that was about the time you saw the light?
it was after JJ's vandy game
the post game comments
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:06 pm to ZTiger87
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JJ(last 3 games of 10): 62% 247 ypg 6 tds 2 ints
It's not Lee vs JJ, yet you feel obligated to throw this in there? JJ played UNC without half of their D, Vandy, and Moo State. Lee played Oregon, a half against NSU, and Moo State. Not really apples to apples. If you really don't think the offense is better this year, you have an agenda.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:07 pm to JJ27
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If you really don't think the offense is better this year, you have an agenda.
this
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:08 pm to ZTiger87
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Again, if we are improved on offense than it would show up in the stats wouldn't it? This isn't Lee vs. JJ, this is just wondering what exactly is making people say we are "greatly improved" on offense.
I personally don't think the offense is any more powerful than last year, but it is running smoother and has converted on opportunities better, although they did settle for FG's in the MSU game, but that may have been conservative by design. This offense may be better suited to Lee because, IMO, he can deliver a bigger variety of throws.
But again, as far as stats are concerned, there isn't a big enough sample size yet. We had a short field against Oregon and have accumulated a good time of possession so far. You also have to look at sacks, getting out of bad field position, forced time-outs, etc.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:11 pm to ZTiger87
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JJ(last 3 games of 10): 62% 247 ypg 6 tds 2 ints
Do I need to explain the two big reasons why this shouldn't be relevant?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:13 pm to JJ27
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It's not Lee vs JJ, yet you feel obligated to throw this in there?
Doc wanted me to post the stats, so I did. Comparing a 5th year seniors 1st 3 games with a different OC to a 3rd year JRs 1st 3 games with a different OC is pretty flawed. Comparing the last we saw of Lee to the last we saw of JJ would be a better comparison.
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Yes, when the sample sizes are the same. You are comparing 12 games to 2.
What does sample size have to do with it? If we are already improved on offense than it would show up on the stats sheet. We aren't moving the ball a lot more. We aren't scoring way more points. Ok, we have an identity now, great. Has it led to a lot more success on the field? No.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:16 pm to ZTiger87
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What does sample size have to do with it?
I hope this isn't a serious question.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:19 pm to ForeLSU
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although they did settle for FG's in the MSU game, but that may have been conservative by design.
Same 4 field goals as last year, although there was an extra TD in 2010.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:20 pm to MOT
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I hope this isn't a serious question.
$10 says it is
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:21 pm to ZTiger87
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Comparing the last we saw of Lee to the last we saw of JJ would be a better comparison
You have compared a QB who started over 2+ seasons continously to whom who've just started 3 games. Is is a fair comparison?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:22 pm to MOT
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I hope this isn't a serious question.
IF WE ARE GREATLY IMPROVED THAN WE WOULD BE MOVING THE BALL A LOT MORE AND SCORING A LOT MORE POINTS. REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY GAMES WE HAVE PLAYED, IT WOULD BE EVIDENT BASED ON THOSE STATS. RIGHT NOW THE STATS DON'T BACK UP THAT STATEMENT.
If you want to say we have the potential be a lot better, I agree. If you want to say we are a little better, I agree. But to say we are greatly improved is an exaggeration right now.
This post was edited on 9/19/11 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:22 pm to ZTiger87
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What does sample size have to do with it? I
oh and the answer is standard deviation. take a statistics class, please.
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