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re: Grand jury to hear LSU football players case Wednesday; DNA inconclusive
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:28 pm to TigerOne
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:28 pm to TigerOne
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You have compared a QB who started over 2+ seasons continously to whom who've just started 3 games. Is is a fair comparison?
The most glaring issue with comparing Jefferson's last three games to the first three this year is the number of points allowed to the opponent. Anyone who knows the game can tell you our MO is to not take any unnecessary risks. If the defense is playing well we aren't going to air it out on offense just for the hell of it. They will run the ball and wait to take advantage of turnovers/field position. But when the defense is struggling (see last 3 games of last year) they will open up the offense because it is needed.
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Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:31 pm to ZTiger87
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IF WE ARE GREATLY IMPROVED THAN WE WOULD BE MOVING THE BALL A LOT MORE AND SCORING A LOT MORE POINTS. REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY GAMES WE HAVE PLAYED, IT WOULD BE EVIDENT BASED ON THOSE STATS. RIGHT NOW THE STATS DON'T BACK UP THAT STATEMENT.
Congrats, you have proven you know absolutely nothing about football and statistics.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:39 pm to MOT
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Congrats, you have proven you know absolutely nothing about football and statistics.
Right. So explain to me why the offense is greatly improved. We aren't scoring way more points. We aren't moving the ball a lot better. Someone said it was because we have an identity now. Of course, that identity is to run the ball and we are doing that worse.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:42 pm to dreaux
JJ has done nothing on the field this year to lose his job and apparently nothing off the field
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:47 pm to ZTiger87
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So explain to me why the offense is greatly improved
Percent games in which the qb stunk up the joint...
This year - 0
Last year - about 50
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Of course, that identity is to run the ball and we are doing that worse.
First of all that's not the identity, it's moving to a play action passing game to better compliment the power running game. Pull JJ scrambling out of the stats and how do they compare?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:48 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
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Grand jury to hear LSU football players case Wednesday; DNA inconclusive
JJ has done nothing on the field this year to lose his job and apparently nothing off the field
Except not practice for four weeks and counting...
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:49 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
Ok people. Back to reality for the JL supporters and JJ haters. I'm a JJ supporter, but I am also rational and objective. You guys have jumped all over ZTiger for comparing statistics from last year to this year, saying its flawed logic. However your logic is flawed as well. You say the offense is much better with JL at the controls and that JJ would muck it up alluding to his play last year. That is comparing apples to oranges. There are many variables that have changed from last year to this year:
New OC (obviously Crowton did a disservice to both JL &JJ)
An actual QB coach
A better defense
Another year in the system.
No one knows how well JJ might perform in these new conditions. I trust our coaching staff to handle it the right way if he is cleared.
New OC (obviously Crowton did a disservice to both JL &JJ)
An actual QB coach
A better defense
Another year in the system.
No one knows how well JJ might perform in these new conditions. I trust our coaching staff to handle it the right way if he is cleared.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:58 pm to A75CADDY
I didn't read the whole thread, so speaking only for myself, I didn't even say it is better because Lee is playing and not Jefferson. The offense has done everything it has been asked to do at this point and is playing well enough for us to win a lot of games. Changing QBs could interrupt that. Is it worth risking? Probably not, and that doesn't even take into account how deep Jefferson may, or may not, be in the doghouse.
As for the statistical comparison, if someone doesn't understand what a sample size is there is no point in trying to explain it. As another poster said, if someone thinks comparing an entire season to two games proves anything, they need to take a statistics class.
As for the statistical comparison, if someone doesn't understand what a sample size is there is no point in trying to explain it. As another poster said, if someone thinks comparing an entire season to two games proves anything, they need to take a statistics class.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:00 pm to MOT
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The offense has done everything it has been asked to do at this point and is playing well enough for us to win a lot of games. Changing QBs could interrupt that. Is it worth risking? Probably not
this is pretty much irrefutable. even JJ fanboys have no answer for it.
if it aint broke, dont fix it.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:01 pm to ForeLSU
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Percent games in which the qb stunk up the joint...
Define stunk up the joint. Less than 50% completion rate and under 100 yards? Than it would be 33% this year.
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First of all that's not the identity, it's moving to a play action passing game to better compliment the power running game. Pull JJ scrambling out of the stats and how do they compare?
How does who compare? The running game is worse this year without JJ.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:02 pm to ZTiger87
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How does who compare? The running game is worse this year without JJ.
this is a case of looking at a stat sheet and not the game. this running game is full on beast mode
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:07 pm to jcole4lsu
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this is a case of looking at a stat sheet and not the game
Exactly. As I said, he has proven he doesn't know the game and can only talk about stats but his statisical comparison is also flawed.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:12 pm to MOT
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As for the statistical comparison, if someone doesn't understand what a sample size is there is no point in trying to explain it. As another poster said, if someone thinks comparing an entire season to two games proves anything, they need to take a statistics class.
Of course I know what a sample size is. My whole point is that if we were a lot better than there would be something there to prove it. If someone said Lee is playing much better this year than he did in 08, you could back that up with stats.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:15 pm to ZTiger87
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Of course I know what a sample size is. My whole point is that if we were a lot better than there would be something there to prove it. If someone said Lee is playing much better this year than he did in 08, you could back that up with stats.
football is not a game of stats. anyone with a brain can see lee is playing a hell of a lot better than he did when he was thrown in the fire in 08. ANYONE.
look just get out now, thats a losing argument. you cant find one other poster that thinks lee is not better than he was in 08 regardless of stats.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:23 pm to jcole4lsu
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football is not a game of stats. anyone with a brain can see lee is playing a hell of a lot better than he did when he was thrown in the fire in 08. ANYONE.
Stats play a part in it. It is, you know, how you defend statements like "x is playing better than y" and "this years offense is sooooo much better". "OMG OUR RUNNING GAME IS BEASTMODE" is an opinion. Are we running the ball poorly? No. But our running game was great last year and it hasn't been as effective this year. Stats back that up.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:27 pm to ZTiger87
and i suppose you still think stats back up your claim that 2011 Lee = 2008 Lee?
you sir, are hopeless.
you sir, are hopeless.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:28 pm to ZTiger87
The frick?
The running game hasn't been as effective?
Wow.
Brah, the running game has won two games for us against top 25 teams. The offense, as a whole, numbers not withstanding, is better than last year. Quantify it however you like, but watching the games should be able to tell you the same thing.
The running game hasn't been as effective?
Wow.
Brah, the running game has won two games for us against top 25 teams. The offense, as a whole, numbers not withstanding, is better than last year. Quantify it however you like, but watching the games should be able to tell you the same thing.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:29 pm to Stevo
great this will implode this BCSNC caliber team.
Maybe we will make the cotton or capitol one bowl this year now.
Maybe we will make the cotton or capitol one bowl this year now.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:30 pm to ZTiger87
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Of course I know what a sample size is
It is quite obvious you do not, sorry.
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My whole point is that if we were a lot better than there would be something there to prove it
It is there, if you know what you are watching. If you insist on stats how about doing this. I've seen you mention in this thread 7 of our 11 BCS opponents were ranked at the time we played them last year. Obviously both have been ranked this year. How about you run the stats for these two games compared to the first two games against ranked teams last year? Total yards per game, passing, rushing, maybe even take it a step further and look at some efficiency numbers....first downs, ypp, ypa, ypc, etc.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:30 pm to RummelTiger
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Brah, the running game has won two games for us against top 25 teams. The offense, as a whole, numbers not withstanding, is better than last year. Quantify it however you like, but watching the games should be able to tell you the same thing.
I'm not arguing that the offense isn't better. It is better. But people are trying to say we are leaps and bounds better. Like we now have some sort of amazing offense.
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