re: Gary Crowton's last 4 jobs:

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Which is stupid because we still backed into that game after Syracuse beat Notre Dame and Boise State beat Hawaii. We didn't even win the AP that year. When most people outside of the south talk about the national champion that year, they are talking about USC. Which pisses me off, but it doesn't make me any more or less excited about 03 and 07. Both were "lucky" seasons. Both seasons I enojyed.

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If you think '07 = '04...well then you're stupid, stupid head

Everyone in this thread makes some valid points. Crowton's offense in 2007 was a record setter. his 2008 offense was very good too. Now 2009 sucked, but was it him? or was it a result of very poor OL play? I don't know the answer to this but I am sure Les does. I do think young Quarterbacking played a part, but its not the only reason. I have seen plenty teams with less skilled ppl put up much more offense than LSU with first yr Qb's as well. I think the QB development is highly questionable. But the most disturbing thing for me was the helter skelter play calling. I have never seen anything more baffling. One formation you see a classic I-formation the next its 5 wides no backs and everything inbetween. I am all for multiple formations during a game to keep the defense guessing. But our offense is as confused as the defense. As far as Crowton, i got nothing against the guy. I don't give a shite who the OC is as long as LSU is successful.

well put ponchy.

If Crowton can get it turned around next year then that is great. If he can't, well then I guess we will have fired him one year too late.

I just want to have an offense that can consistently move the ball, put up points, and execute in the clutch.

In 2006 LSU averaged 417.46 YPG and 6.63 Yards Per Attempt
They had 818 Plays and 59 Touchdowns

1 Overtime game against Ole Miss

In 2007 LSU averaged 439.43 YPG and 5.84 Yards Per Attempt
They had 1054 plays and 66 touchdowns

This was done in 1 additional game also and 2 overtime games...

Just a point of comparison in case anyone was curious

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How about we look at trends when he's coaching for these teams.

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Who do you think is in a better position to analyze trends? The Chicago Bears or ZZ fricking Tigers? Phil Knight and Mike Belotti or ZZ fricking Tigers?

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Yes I agree we were the best, but should we have been beat by an average Kentucky & Arkansas team.
I believe our coaches were at fault for loosing those games with the loaded talent on the 07 team. We were at better talented team in 07 than o3 and remember they were SABAN's recruits and had coached them for a bit.

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this "logic" is just so fricking stupid. 1) You can't give credit to "SABAN's" recruits for the championship and then not give them blame for losing to 2 "average" teams. If the almighty were so great, his "recruits" wouldn't have lost to lowly Kentucky and Arkansas. You can't have it both ways. How are you too fricking stupid to not see this? It's baffling. 2) Saban's '03 team lost to a mediocre Florida team. At home. And scored ZERO offensive points.


Saban is probably the best coach in college football. But the fact that so many of you want to literally suck his cock is fricking embarrassing. Pick yourselves up.

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In 2006 LSU averaged 417.46 YPG and 6.63 Yards Per Attempt
They had 818 Plays and 59 Touchdowns

1 Overtime game against Ole Miss

In 2007 LSU averaged 439.43 YPG and 5.84 Yards Per Attempt
They had 1054 plays and 66 touchdowns

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From what I gather right here it seems that when he gets to a school the previous OC coached teams are already good then he implements his style of offense to an unsupecting conference. Couple it with an experienced QB all he has to do is implement his scheme and let everything else roll.

What I think happened this year from last is that he simplified the playbook for JJ which threw off the whole team. I think if he did exactly what he did last year which was not change up anything, then he would not have this bad of an offense.

You throw a wrench into the gears and the whole machine goes down.

Hot Carl, Crowton's resume isn't bad by any means. I understood why Les hired him when he did, and what made him think he'd be a great success.

That being said, his offenses were innovative when at LaTech. It was his early years and people had no idea how to read him. He was a great OC at the time. He left LaTech to become OC for the Bears. Their offense was good, but not great under Crowton:

1999:
#8 total offense but #25 in scoring offense.
#3 in passing offense, but #27 in INTs.
Also, #26 in Rushing offense.

2000 (2nd Year):
#23 total offense and #28 in scoring offense at 13.5 PPG (one of the worst in the league)
#23 passing offense and #15 in INTs.
Also #21 in rushing offense.

Fact is in the NFL, he wasn't that good at ALL outside of putting up passing yards and lots of turnovers just like 2008 for LSU.

He then went to BYU and did awesome in year 1, and as his offensive scheme took over (years 2-4) and his inability to develop QBs, the team crashed offensively to a ridiculous level. Those claiming he was Head Coach need to realize that he was really OC too, much like Meyer at UF.

At UO, he did really well in year 1 with JR Kellen Clemens (later NFL starter) as his QB. Points went up in 2006, but once Clemens went down and Dixon (a junior) had to take over, we saw similar to 2008 for LSU. Lots of points, lots of yards, and lots and lots of turnovers. Dennis Dixon's JR stats are almost identical to Jarret Lee's. Interesting.

He left UO to LSU and has followed the same pattern. When he is forced to keep a strong mixture of the old offense (year 1) his offenses flourish, particularly with a seasoned QB. Once that QB leaves and he starts implementing his full offense, his offenses struggle to say the least. Part of the OL problem is also on his playcalling.

Guy is good, but his time at LSU should be done.

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Who do you think is in a better position to analyze trends?

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ZZ fricking Tigers

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You obviously just like attention, and like to argue on a message board to defend such twisted retarded logic. So, because he's had high profile jobs that makes him great? Other coaches have had high profile jobs that I wouldn't want near my football team. A couple come to mind: Kotite, Weiss, Mangini, W. Phillips, Zook, etc..... And yes I know this a mixture of NFL & College, the point being they have all held "high profile jobs" and failed miserably. The fact remains that you are an insufferable Douchebag............Sorry!