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re: Gary Crowton's last 4 jobs:
Posted on 12/18/09 at 10:55 pm to the LSUSaint
Posted on 12/18/09 at 10:55 pm to the LSUSaint
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the LSUSaint
You don't get what I was saying, his first year in a conference nobody's seen his style of offense before, plus he has an experienced QB so it works out well.
His style of offense is predictable so after his initial success the rest just goes all to hell.
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Posted on 12/18/09 at 10:59 pm to Hot Carl
Do your homework on Crowton in those jobs. The first year he is pretty good. Subsequent years he get exponentially worse. He is good for 1 year.
Posted on 12/18/09 at 11:01 pm to Africom
This is Friday late evening. If Gary Crowton were unemployed Saturday early morning, he would have job offers by Sunday.
He is well respected among both the college and NFL ranks.
He is well respected among both the college and NFL ranks.
Posted on 12/18/09 at 11:07 pm to specs1
quote:Name recognition goes a long way. That's why Weiss will be employed by next season, and if Mangini gets the ax he won't be unemployed long eithier.
He is well respected among both the college and NFL ranks.
Posted on 12/18/09 at 11:15 pm to BilJ
Read this HC.
https://picklewagon.com/2007/01/18/lsu-fans-will-suffer-because-of-gary-crowton/
https://picklewagon.com/2007/01/18/lsu-fans-will-suffer-because-of-gary-crowton/
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Chicago Bears
1999: Bears record was 6-10. Their offense scored 272 points (17/game), 7th worst in the NFL. 31 TDs, 7th worst in NFL (source). Leading passer: Shane Matthews
2000: Bears record was 5-11. Their offense scored 214 points (13.4/game), 4th worst in the NFL. 22 TDs, 3rd worst in the NFL (source). (The thing that you want to do from an offensive standpoint is you want to score points.) Leading passer: Cade McNown
It’s safe to say that he didn’t have the greatest quarterbacks to run his offense. Get this though. In 2001, the Bears went 13-3 with Jim Miller as the quarterback. They scored 338 points (21.1/game), good enough for 11th in the NFL.
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BYU
2001: BYU went 12-2. They scored an amazing 608 points (46.8/game). Luke Staley was the leading rusher in the nation. However they got killed in their last two games. Everybody loved Crowton as head coach. What a great season! But it was a terrible watching them get killed by Hawaii and Louisville. Coincidentally, Luke Staley was injured in the two games BYU lost.
2002: Their record was 5-7. BYU’s first losing season in 30 years. They scored 272 points (22.7/game).
2003: BYU went 4-8. They scored 196 points (16.3/game). They didn’t score a point in the game versus Utah, the first time they went scoreless in a game in my lifetime.
2004: BYU went 5-6. They 267 points (24.3/game).
BYU went from scoring 608 points in 2001 to a low of 196 points in 2003! This was against average teams in the Mountain West Conference. He was the head coach and offensive coordinator at BYU.
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Oregon
2005: Oregon went 10-2. They scored 414 points (34.5/game).
2006: Oregon went 7-6, losing their last 4. They scored 383 points (29.5/game).
There you have it. The only year he improved upon his previous year while at the same program was 2004. BYU couldn’t have gotten any worse after a terrible year in 2003.
The truth is Gary Crowton has a good offense. But smart teams are going to figure it out. Guess who was coaching Utah when BYU went scoreless in 2003-Urban Meyer. Most of the coaches in the SEC are almost as smart as Urban and they will shut down LSU’s offense. LSU has great athletes and he will find a way to make them look bad.
Posted on 12/19/09 at 12:43 am to Acreboy
Oregon's offense did not get worse in Crowton's 2nd year. They went from being ranked 18th in total offense to 9th. At BYU they improved in year 4 with John Beck starting full time. At LA Tech they improved every year under Crowton. Why does the NFL even matter? Do we hold NFL failures against other college coaches? FWIW the bears had a top 10 offense and #3 ranked passing offense with Shane Matthews and Jim Miller as the starting QBs. How can you even consider that a failure? Of course the offense got worse with Cade Mcnowon starting. He sucked.
The only trend with Crowton is that his offenses are bad with FR and SO starting QBs. His offenses are great with JR and SR Qbs. He can develop QBs. He can adapt his offenses to get his best playmakers the ball. I know you guys probably don't think so, but it's true. Go look at how his offenses changed at each stop with different QBs. The "trend" says with Gary Crowton we will have a much better offense next year.
The only trend with Crowton is that his offenses are bad with FR and SO starting QBs. His offenses are great with JR and SR Qbs. He can develop QBs. He can adapt his offenses to get his best playmakers the ball. I know you guys probably don't think so, but it's true. Go look at how his offenses changed at each stop with different QBs. The "trend" says with Gary Crowton we will have a much better offense next year.
Posted on 12/19/09 at 12:58 am to jdlsu
quote:this is one of the dumbest statements in all of college football history
The best because we backed into the title game with 2 losses?
Posted on 12/19/09 at 1:03 am to Craig Ferguson
quote:you are very much mistaken. a ranter is someone who posts without backing up what they say. check my thread about rant myths for a sampling. specfically, rantards currently are people who think they know what lsu's "problems" when they actually don't but feel free to blame it all on one coach or the coaches.
When did you become such a ranter, Carl?
in other words, negatigers are rantards
Posted on 12/19/09 at 1:04 am to RPC4LSU
quote:this myth has got to stop.
If Crowton is so good as a coordinator, why do his offenses get worse the longer he is at a school?
Posted on 12/19/09 at 1:10 am to windriver
quote:who have NO college experience. why bring in people who have no idea what they're doing instead of people who have been through the fire and were pretty highly recruited themselves?
big time players sitting on the bench
Posted on 12/19/09 at 1:11 am to KennesawTiger
quote:but what you can't guarantee is that those trends will continue going in the same direction. that's what makes all the FIRE CROWTON crap so idiotic
refuse to see the trends that are plain as day to anyone with even an inkling of football knowledge
Posted on 12/19/09 at 1:14 am to ZZTIGERS
quote:once again, acting like you know something when you really don't
retarded thread on the Tiger Rant.
Posted on 12/19/09 at 1:18 am to drizztiger
quote:people, for the one millionth time, HE WAS HEAD COACH AT BYU, NOT OFFENSE COORDINATOR.
BYU, see LSU.
big difference.
now just prove that you know how much of the offense game plan and play calling he did
Posted on 12/19/09 at 1:20 am to pilsnerpusher
quote:yeah. a team that ends up 3rd in the sec is "easy" to scout. you people have no idea that you're calling the sec the most competitive conference but at the same time diminishing what lsu accomplished in ending up 3rd. here's a clue negatigers:
we are so easy to scout and prepare for tendency wise it is ridiculous.
that is a contradiction
Posted on 12/19/09 at 1:22 am to Paulu
quote:unbelievable. take mcelroy, ingram and arenas from bama and are they even in the seccg? no. frickin geniuses
Take Flynn, Dorsey, Hester off of that team
quote:yeah. 3rd in the sec. mediocre.
Miles medicrity like we have today.
CHICKEN, PLEASE NUKE THE RANT
Posted on 12/19/09 at 1:26 am to Cryotiger
quote:are you talking about the end of the game? if you know anything about football, you know miles called it textbook. don't blame him for flynn not getting the play off in time
Almost bad against Auburn '07
quote:what was the alternative?
allowing a green QB to be put in the same stupid situation 6 times +
quote:again, what was the alternative mr. know-it-all?
Dual DC's
Posted on 12/19/09 at 1:27 am to Rza32
quote:and that's the most objective statement ever made.
Georgia was better than us at the end of the season.
not
Posted on 12/19/09 at 1:32 am to Africom
quote:you think 2 seasons with a team and a head coaching job are good enough for you to evaluate someone who's been in the business longer than you've been alive?
Do your homework on Crowton in those jobs
Posted on 12/19/09 at 4:54 am to ZZTIGERS
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So, because he's had high profile jobs that makes him great?
Again, your logic is atrocious. Please point out where I even remotely hinted he was great. I have said that he was terrible this year, and I wanted him fired. And if he still is, I will not be disappointed at all. My point is that people keep hiring him for really good jobs, and these people are in infinitely better positions to analyze his strengths, weaknesses, trends, etc... than any of us. Perhaps they see things that we are incapable of.
I am not defending Crowton for last year, or in general even. I am merely suggesting that if he is retained, our fate is not automatically sealed as having a bad football team in '10. We may in fact be really good. We may not--and Crowton might even be a big reason for it. But to think that it's somehow impossible is absurd. And crying about it for the next 9 months is too.
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