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re: Games where Mett could have received PT last year
Posted on 1/15/12 at 1:11 pm to Doc Fenton
Posted on 1/15/12 at 1:11 pm to Doc Fenton
Not enough practice is a BS excuse. You are right with the Jefferson example..the kid was in almost directly after suspension.
This will remain a mystery. Les will avoid answering and we will never know the full story.
But a big problem is having fully closed practices. Les trys to avoid scrutiny from his fanbase having knowledge of player development, but as a result to closed practices, he creates scrutiny, contraversy and speculation about his coaching methods.
This will remain a mystery. Les will avoid answering and we will never know the full story.
But a big problem is having fully closed practices. Les trys to avoid scrutiny from his fanbase having knowledge of player development, but as a result to closed practices, he creates scrutiny, contraversy and speculation about his coaching methods.
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 1:11 pm to Doc Fenton
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Other than MTSU & the SECCG, Perrilloux was generally not trusted in games during crucial situations.
well flynn was pretty good and RP was still young and his package was very limited
Posted on 1/15/12 at 1:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
Les knows how good Mett is and didnt want to show everyone cause he loves him some JJ and Jlee
Posted on 1/15/12 at 1:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
just think about the difference in offense from 2005 to now
Posted on 1/15/12 at 1:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
JJ was more important to Miles than ANYTHING. PERIOD. We knew, but had a tad of Bama-type-delusion in us that Miles might think of someone, anyone, other than JJ, but it bore out that JJ was EVERYTHING to Miles, and everyone else combined was less important to Miles. Mett certainly was not going to rank in Miles thoughts. But any other coach in the universe would have behaved differently. This is why the nude pic theory seems to be somewhat reasonable.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 1:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i doubt there are many, and i don't see how that has anything to do with my thread/point
The point is that it was pretty reasonable for the coaching staff to make a decision that Lee/Jefferson, given our situation, made more sense than playing Mettenberger...this year.
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this is a lie. in the multiple threads on here discussing 2011 LSU in terms of being the GOAT, i brought this up EVERY time i participated, and EVERY time the majority of rantards said it was impossible/didn't matter
You are right. Not many people realized that without a running game, we'd be in trouble. Wow.
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we weren't in big trouble against bama on 11/5/11?
We beat them. So, you can label it what you want. But clearly it was reasonable to believe that LSU could win it all with that QB scheme...and to take the amount of practice time and game time away from Lee and Jefferson and put to Mettenberger would have been a strange move.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 1:42 pm to Doc Fenton
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I can show you a post after LSU beat Alabama indicating that I think the whole game made me think less of Coach Miles.
I take it as a given that everyone knew at that point that I thought Lee & Mett was the obvious choice for QBs for this season, and that I was opposed to letting JJ get significant playing time, and that I never wavered on that.
You are making a totally different point. But, as much as you or I may dislike Jefferson, LSU doesn't win the Bama game without him.
And if you think Lee would have fared better against Alabama without a running game (in the BCSNC game) you are fooling yourself. Lee is a flawed QB as well.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 1:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well flynn was pretty good and RP was still young and his package was very limited
RP was the same age as Mett was this season. Les has never been big on getting the back up qb pt against sec teams. One of the things that annoys a lot of people.
This post was edited on 1/15/12 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 1/15/12 at 2:20 pm to moneyg
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LSU doesn't win the Bama game without him.
Not only does LSU win without him, but they actually do it in regulation.
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Lee is a flawed QB as well.
No crap. It isn't so much about the individual at QB (which I have said a million times), but it's the offensive scheme that the team is in. With a normal scheme, it's easier for LSU to run the ball against a great defense like Alabama, because LSU is actually trying to do more than just overwhelm the defense with an extra runner in the form of a QB. That stuff works against weak fronts that wear down, but against Bama, you've got to attack the deep seams to have any hope of being successful ... beyond that option pitch gimmick that Bama was obviously going to be ready for in the BCS NCG.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 2:21 pm to ZTiger87
its a issue that miles needs to fix. he needs to start giving our future qbs reps in sec games instead of being mr. nice guy.
fwiw i think with mett starting all year we would have had the same results this year except a better o and a nc instead of a horrible loss in the nc game.
mett a actual passing threat behind our good run game would have mowed down the first half of the schedule all the way till bama. Hopefully by then we could trust him more and maybe have eliminated them from getting a rematch. then clearly he would have smoked the remaining teams on our schedule.
fwiw i think with mett starting all year we would have had the same results this year except a better o and a nc instead of a horrible loss in the nc game.
mett a actual passing threat behind our good run game would have mowed down the first half of the schedule all the way till bama. Hopefully by then we could trust him more and maybe have eliminated them from getting a rematch. then clearly he would have smoked the remaining teams on our schedule.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 2:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:ding!ding!ding!!!
eliminating competition and ensuring JJ's feelings aren't hurt means more than developing our offense to win the title
Posted on 1/15/12 at 2:25 pm to moneyg
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The point is that it was pretty reasonable for the coaching staff to make a decision that Lee/Jefferson, given our situation, made more sense than playing Mettenberger...this year.
Based on what? You don't think preparing for a situation where Mett may have been needed wasn't necessary? In hindsight, it was.
This post was edited on 1/15/12 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 1/15/12 at 2:28 pm to heartbreakTiger
I think that the biggest problem with every single thread about coaching decisions between JJ and JL is this:
Neither of these QB's was an above average SEC QB. Neither of them. JL was a better passer than JJ, but he was terrible facing a pass rush, he was immobile at best, and he made questionable decisions. JJ, on the other hand, was a terrible passer that had a few bright spots, was adequate running the ball but took too long to make the decision to do so often (or, conversely, he made a premature decision to run/pass and never veered from that decision). Neither of them brought much to the table, at all.
LSU's "greatness" in 2011 was based on defense and special teams creating big plays and short fields for our offense. Mentally, this team "broke" every team it played, except Bama, because they were relentless. Our QB play in 2011 was no better than in 2008 or 2009, in my opinion, because we still had two guys back there who were pretty much clueless. I am hopeful that Krag has been working with Mett closely, knowing that this would be his team in 2012.
Neither of these QB's was an above average SEC QB. Neither of them. JL was a better passer than JJ, but he was terrible facing a pass rush, he was immobile at best, and he made questionable decisions. JJ, on the other hand, was a terrible passer that had a few bright spots, was adequate running the ball but took too long to make the decision to do so often (or, conversely, he made a premature decision to run/pass and never veered from that decision). Neither of them brought much to the table, at all.
LSU's "greatness" in 2011 was based on defense and special teams creating big plays and short fields for our offense. Mentally, this team "broke" every team it played, except Bama, because they were relentless. Our QB play in 2011 was no better than in 2008 or 2009, in my opinion, because we still had two guys back there who were pretty much clueless. I am hopeful that Krag has been working with Mett closely, knowing that this would be his team in 2012.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 2:30 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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I think that the biggest problem with every single thread about coaching decisions between JJ and JL is this:
Neither of these QB's was an above average SEC QB. Neither of them. JL was a better passer than JJ, but he was terrible facing a pass rush, he was immobile at best, and he made questionable decisions. JJ, on the other hand, was a terrible passer that had a few bright spots, was adequate running the ball but took too long to make the decision to do so often (or, conversely, he made a premature decision to run/pass and never veered from that decision). Neither of them brought much to the table, at all.
LSU's "greatness" in 2011 was based on defense and special teams creating big plays and short fields for our offense. Mentally, this team "broke" every team it played, except Bama, because they were relentless. Our QB play in 2011 was no better than in 2008 or 2009, in my opinion, because we still had two guys back there who were pretty much clueless. I am hopeful that Krag has been working with Mett closely, knowing that this would be his team in 2012.
I am not totally disagreeing with this, but if Miles was aware of this ..why didn't he have a contingency plan?
Posted on 1/15/12 at 2:31 pm to Doc Fenton
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Not only does LSU win without him, but they actually do it in regulation
I agree with this. I can't help but think that Lee would have settled down and made some good throws like he had done all year prior to this game. But, we will never know.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 2:36 pm to 11Tiger
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I agree with this. I can't help but think that Lee would have settled down and made some good throws like he had done all year prior to this game. But, we will never know.
Lee was given a lot of time to settle down and he came in and threw a pick on his very first play. I don't see how anyone can think we would have won that game with Lee taking all the snaps.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 2:37 pm to Doc Fenton
He played a ton during that UF game, no?
Posted on 1/15/12 at 2:38 pm to ZTiger87
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Lee was given a lot of time to settle down and he came in and threw a pick on his very first play. I don't see how anyone can think we would have won that game with Lee taking all the snaps.
You have no clue whether he would have settled or not. He had played well all year long.
If Les didn't like Lee, he should have had an adequate QB prepared for the last game, but he didn't.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 2:38 pm to Doc Fenton
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Not only does LSU win without him, but they actually do it in regulation.
You think Lee would have beaten Bama. Ok. We disagree.
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No crap. It isn't so much about the individual at QB (which I have said a million times), but it's the offensive scheme that the team is in. With a normal scheme, it's easier for LSU to run the ball against a great defense like Alabama, because LSU is actually trying to do more than just overwhelm the defense with an extra runner in the form of a QB. That stuff works against weak fronts that wear down, but against Bama, you've got to attack the deep seams to have any hope of being successful ... beyond that option pitch gimmick that Bama was obviously going to be ready for in the BCS NCG.
So, you think our heavy running philosophy has hindered our QBs and I think our crappy QBs has modified our philosophy.
What I'll say is that when we did try to stretch the field against Alabama, we saw from Jefferson what many were scared we would see...a QB who couldn't let go of the ball and who left the pocket far too often.
And, in game 1, when we tried to throw it downfield with Lee, we saw exactly what many were afraid we would see. We saw a QB who flinched in the pocket and let the ball go too early, and/or threw it to the defense.
In other words, we didn't fail to "attack the seams" of Alabama's defense because the coaching staff didn't recognize it as a positive thing as you suggest. We couldn't...not without a running game to keep us in good down and distance so we could play off our tendencies.
The 2011 team for everything that it was that was great, was a team that had to run to set up the pass. The minute the running threat wasn't there, this team was in trouble. You saw it in the first half against Georgia, and you saw it against Alabama.
And, this team was good enough to run the ball against anyone in the country...except Alabama.
There are a lot of people who can't handle failure. And, because of that, they point to things like Mettenberger not being developed to play THIS year as a mistake in judgement. The truth is that less than a week ago, everyone with half a brain would have said that Les Miles and his staff had done a TREMENDOUS job all year.
This post was edited on 1/15/12 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 1/15/12 at 2:41 pm to moneyg
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What I'll say is that when we did try to stretch the field against Alabama, we saw from Jefferson what many were scared we would see...a QB who couldn't let go of the ball and who left the pocket far too often.
And, in game 1, when we tried to throw it downfield with Lee, we saw exactly what many were afraid we would see. We saw a QB who flinched in the pocket and let the ball go too early, and/or threw it to the defense.
Les wasn't going to play Lee. Why wasn't Mett in the game?
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