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re: Games where Mett could have received PT last year
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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where was the risk in putting in mett in games that LSU had full control of?
There was no risk
It's not like we were going to be throwing on first down with him in anyway...would have been a conservative offense but you at least get him on the field and get a chance to read the defenses
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:26 pm to 7thWardTiger
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How many coaches do you think would sub in the 3rd string qb up 17 with 23 mins to play? Honest question.
A coach with vision for future QB development!
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:27 pm to Powerman
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It's not like we were going to be throwing on first down with him in anyway...would have been a conservative offense but you at least get him on the field and get a chance to read the defenses
exactly. we weren't going to go full on air raid with him at QB. we were going to play conservative and base our offense around the running game, regardless. and the offenses in question were shut down by that point in the game
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:33 pm to moneyg
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But, the thought that this was about Jefferson's feelings is plain stupid.
It really isn't.
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Hindsight 20/20.
Except none of this is hindsight. There is a large contingent of posters around here who have been very consistent.
When LSU is winning, the knee-jerk response is, "we're winning, so why don't you STFU!"
After the loss, the knee-jerk response is "I bet you weren't saying this before!"
When JJ was let back on the team, the standard line on the Rant was that everybody needed to chill out, because obviously there was no chance he was never going to see significant playing time this year anyway, because "Miles isn't stupid." Seriously. People said this.
When JJ started getting more and more playing time, the standard line on the Rant was "stop complaining, we have a 2-QB system that's working just fine, and you are worrying about something that hasn't even happened yet."
After the first Bama game, the standard line was "well, all you Lee-lovers need to chill, because I'm sure he'll still be the starter and that we'll continue to use a 2-QB system anyway."
Finally, the standard line went back to the old, "well, I'm sure Miles had his secret reasons that made sense."
It's been line after line of bullshite from start to finish.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
SlowFlowPro- I disagree that Perrilloux had plenty of playing time. I don't know the inside stuff, therefore my opinion is based upon what was in print in the papers "that Ryan did not do the right things" which had an impact on his PT. Flynn my very well not have been ready to start. You may start out in mop up duty, at some point you should put the backup with the starters even if its for one series. IMO Miles was slick in 2007 in when he inserted Ryan. Go back and look at that season. Ryan started against MTSU and passed for 300 yards. After that game he was regulated to minimal PT. He was seldom in with the starters. Miles took a big risk by not taking Ryan on the road to Tuscalooser in 2007. We will never know what Ryan did that was so bad to put the team at risk. I'd bet it was no where near what his faultless son did before the 2011 season began. Miles has a history of not preparing QBs and sticking with his favorite at the risk of losing it all. 2006 UF three interceptions by Russell. Never even made an attempt to settle Russell down for a series. Let's not forget his announcement to the BOS that Flynn was the starter before spring practice begin. He paid his dues and waited his turn. I'm not saying Flynn was or was not the better QB. Miles was not going to have a QB controversy!
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:37 pm to Doc Fenton
if winning alone is a justification, you better keep winning or you'll be questioned
it's like i've said for years. trends in how you win/lose usually determine what happens in the end
miles has had 3 different OCs in his time here and the same offensive trends have continued. 2010/2011 were glaring examples of this offensive trend. 2007 seems to be an outlier (and we lost to UK in large part due to miles being miles. we had similar issues early against arky)
it's like i've said for years. trends in how you win/lose usually determine what happens in the end
miles has had 3 different OCs in his time here and the same offensive trends have continued. 2010/2011 were glaring examples of this offensive trend. 2007 seems to be an outlier (and we lost to UK in large part due to miles being miles. we had similar issues early against arky)
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:39 pm to LSUFAN2
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I disagree that Perrilloux had plenty of playing time.
he played in multiple games and STARTED two of them
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Miles took a big risk by not taking Ryan on the road to Tuscalooser in 2007.
well, there were reasons for that
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We will never know what Ryan did that was so bad to put the team at risk.
you serious, clark?
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I'd bet it was no where near what his faultless son did before the 2011 season began
it was worse. multiple incidents of worse
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2006 UF three interceptions by Russell.
1 was off the hands of bowe. 1 came on a desperation final drive...and was off the hands of bowe
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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where was the risk in putting in mett in games that LSU had full control of?
The risk is in the future games. Lee needed the snaps and it helped as you could see him improve as the season went on. He was ok at Oregon, better by MSU, and even better at WVU.
And Jefferson most definitely needed the snaps once he came back if you accept that he was going to play a meaningful role.
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where did i say met should have started or played when a game was in doubt?
hell, i even LISTED games where he could have received PT without taking any real risks
Again, the risk wasn't in the game being played. It was a decision that was made in an attempt to get the QB as ready as possible to make a real run at the BCSNC.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:45 pm to moneyg
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Lee needed the snaps
lee certainly needed snaps handing it off
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and it helped as you could see him improve as the season went on
he was really bad against UK, so that doesn't work for that game
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And Jefferson most definitely needed the snaps once he came back if you accept that he was going to play a meaningful role.
those snaps didn't seem to help
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Again, the risk wasn't in the game being played. It was a decision that was made in an attempt to get the QB as ready as possible to make a real run at the BCSNC.
shutting down the offense and only handing off the ball doesn't prepare your QBs for anything
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:49 pm to Doc Fenton
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Except none of this is hindsight. There is a large contingent of posters around here who have been very consistent.
Show me.
Show me your post after LSU beat Alabama indicating that you wanted to go to Mettenberger THIS YEAR.
I want to see it.
Everyone knew our QB situation was our achilles heel. We all knew that if a team could come in and shut down our running game, we were in big trouble.
But, it didn't happen over 13 games and an entire SEC schedule which included playing Alabama on the road. And, so, as time went on, it was a pretty reasonable position to take that our best chance of winning the NC was to play it close to the vest in the passing game, rely on our running game and defense.
You can say you disagree and you can maybe even point to a post of yours indicating you disagree. But, to say that sticking with Lee and Jefferson was unreasonable and clearly wrong is an embarrassing example of hindsight 20/20.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:51 pm to moneyg
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Show me your post after LSU beat Alabama indicating that you wanted to go to Mettenberger THIS YEAR.
i doubt there are many, and i don't see how that has anything to do with my thread/point
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We all knew that if a team could come in and shut down our running game, we were in big trouble.
this is a lie. in the multiple threads on here discussing 2011 LSU in terms of being the GOAT, i brought this up EVERY time i participated, and EVERY time the majority of rantards said it was impossible/didn't matter
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But, it didn't happen over 13 games and an entire SEC schedule which included playing Alabama on the road.
we weren't in big trouble against bama on 11/5/11?
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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lee certainly needed snaps handing it off
I have news for you. Mettenberger would have been handing it off too.
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e was really bad against UK, so that doesn't work for that game
That makes no sense. Lee played poorly. So, the coaching staff kept him in the game to get more snaps and hopefully get some quality work in.
Are you suggesting that Lee playing poorly meant that he needed
less snaps? That makes no sense.
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those snaps didn't seem to help
They sure didn't. He played very poorly in the last two games. Hindsight.
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shutting down the offense and only handing off the ball doesn't prepare your QBs for anything
Which is what you would have seen with Mettenberger so any point you think you are making is moot.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:53 pm to moneyg
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Show me your post after LSU beat Alabama indicating that you wanted to go to Mettenberger THIS YEAR.
I can show you a post after LSU beat Alabama indicating that I think the whole game made me think less of Coach Miles.
I take it as a given that everyone knew at that point that I thought Lee & Mett was the obvious choice for QBs for this season, and that I was opposed to letting JJ get significant playing time, and that I never wavered on that.
I'm pretty sure that I wrote that we might as well go to Mett as our backup once that game was over, but honestly, I think most people knew Miles was just going to play JJ from there on out.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 12:54 pm to moneyg
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Mettenberger would have been handing it off too.
that's kind of the point. i wanted him to get in to run the full offense. i don't care if people bitch about LSU running it up
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Lee played poorly. So, the coaching staff kept him in the game to get more snaps and hopefully get some quality work in.
again, by the end of the game when he was just handing it off, he wasn't getting "meaningful snaps"
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He played very poorly in the last two games. Hindsight.
it wasn't hindsight after UGA when people called out miles/JJ
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Which is what you would have seen with Mettenberger
which isn't what i was suggesting
Posted on 1/15/12 at 1:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
I see where you are coming from, SFP, but it was clear from day 1 that Miles was going to go with Lee and Jefferson until an injury occurred. That PT Perriloux got was due to injury, not planning for the future.
Bottom line is that, in the coach's opinion, JJ gave us the best chance to win in the offense that was put on the field. Where I struggle is believing that trying something different during the course of Monday's game (or SECCG first half) would have somehow been a worse option.
Bottom line is that, in the coach's opinion, JJ gave us the best chance to win in the offense that was put on the field. Where I struggle is believing that trying something different during the course of Monday's game (or SECCG first half) would have somehow been a worse option.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 1:03 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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but it was clear from day 1 that Miles was going to go with Lee and Jefferson until an injury occurred.
and that was a problem
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That PT Perriloux got was due to injury, not planning for the future.
he threw a TD against VT, bro
Posted on 1/15/12 at 1:07 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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it was clear from day 1 that Miles was going to go with Lee and Jefferson until an injury occurred
As I recall, it was a shock to many people (myself included) when JJ got in the Kentucky game despite having practiced with the team for only 1 day in the 5 weeks prior.
Before we saw that on October 1, most people were still speculating about how much playing time Mett would get. As it turns out, after that game ... not much at all.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 1:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
I agree that we missed opportunities to give mett eperience, but given the poor play of our two starters, it could be argued that they needed that playing time to work on their game for the home stretch of the season.
Which is true of course.
Which is true of course.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 1:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he threw a TD against VT, bro
Yeah, but it was never a true dual-QB system. Other than MTSU & the SECCG, Perrilloux was generally not trusted in games during crucial situations. He did, however, look very sweet during the 4Q of the opener against Miss. State.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 1:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he threw a TD against VT, bro
He did, that is true, but he wasn't getting series after series of running the offense; he was part of a dual QB system. He started 2 games due to an injury to Flynn, and spent half of that season (or so it seemed) suspended.
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