re: "Game Managers" Do Not Win Championships

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How can a QB be incapable of managing a game, but be able to keep LSU in position to win games, and then topping it off with game winning drives.

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I never said he wasn't a great playmaker! That is how he did it...making plays...not managing the game.

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How can a QB be incapable of managing a game, but be able to keep LSU in position to win games, and then topping it off with game winning drives

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Wait, are you saying that playmakers are also game managers?

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Luckily for us, I think Jefferson is a playmaker, not a game manager




Well THANK GOD, you thinking it makes it so.

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Yeah, and it will be fun watching him make great plays while failing to manage the game.

Seven years from now, he will be a legend with no championships.

Rohan Davey, the ultimate college game manager.

Game managers are smart. A coach on the field. They make the right desicions and utilize all of the surrounding talent. They know when to stick with the play call when it comes it, and the know when to check out of it.
A good QB has to be both a play maker and a game manager to have his team be successful.
JJ is too young and lacks the experience to be able to tell if he is a good game manager. Time will tell.
As for the comments on Flynn and Mauck, they were excellent game managers with play making ability. That is why they won championships.
JR has alot of talent but lacks the ability to manage the game properly. Thats why he still struggles today.
All of the above is MHO.

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Don't most good QB's manage the game?

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Exactly true. JaMarcus was a phenomenal QB because he managed the game very well almost every time he stepped out onto the field (well, at least after his first year). Mauck, Krenzel, Tebow, Young, Leinart, etc., were all also very good at managing the game. That's why they won. They managed the game and got the ball to the best guys to make the plays needed for them to win, even if that guy was themselves.

Think of Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson. They were among the greatest (if not the greatest) game managers in the history of basketball because they consistently got the ball to the guy that could make the play. The fact that Jordan called his own number far more often than Magic did is irrelevant because the result was success; ergo, he made the right call.

QBs are the same way. If they dump a flare pass to Keiland so he can break a 60+ yard TD, then that is good game management. If they hurl a 50+ yard bomb downfield for a TD, that is good game management. If they take a QB keeper up the middle for 2 yards on 3rd & 1, that is good game management. It doesn't matter whether they are making the plays themselves or putting others in position to make the plays, if they do their part and the result is success, they are managing the game well.

Ken Dorsey & Tee Martin were great QB's and great Athletes...... NOT!!! Both game managers. Martin didn't run as much as Macklin or Vick, but he won a title!!!

Jesus Christ why do people on here have to be such assholes.

Of course every QB "manages the game" because they touch the ball every play, regardless of whether they hand the ball off or throw it downfield.

But quit playing dumb as though you don't know that referring to a QB as a "game manager" carries a negative connotation. Generally, when that term is used it is to describe a QB that for whatever reason (lack of arm strength, inexperience) the coaches do not feel comfortable enough to throw the ball regularly. He plays in a run first system and his job is to limit turnovers and get an occasional first down on 3rd downs. Its pretty much a nice way for the coaches or media to say the quarterback is not very good and they are going to have to limit what they do on offense to try to hide him because they don't have anyone else better that is ready to play.

That is the connotation, and you all know it, and by that definition, none of the championship QBs being discussed in this thread fit the bill except for Krenzel. While many idiotic fans try to lump Mauck or Flynn into that category because they weren't physical freaks like JR or VY, they were just as dangerous running our offense as JR was, and JR was just as effiecient at running the offense as they were. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

And no, Dorsey wasn't either. He may not have been able to throw the ball 60 yards downfield or beat you with his legs, but he was QB of one of the most dangerous offenses of all time. He threw the ball all over the field to AJ, Wayne, Shockey, etc. He was not the type of QB that limited what you could do on offense. They scored points at will and in every way imaginable. Sure he managed the game by spreading the ball around, by the very rules of the game EVERY QB does that, but that doesn't make him a "game manager" in the context it is usually used.

The bottom line is what the QB is allowed to do in the offense, and all of the QBs discussed in this thread were allowed to attack the entire field at all times, not just when down and distance dictated that it was necessary.

If you aren't willing to admit all of that, then you are just flaming and playing semantics.

2 titles 2 game managers

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Krenzel is the only one I can think of.

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And even he made some huge plays throughout the year in some of our games (i.e. Holy Buckeye LINK). Also was our best offensive player in the NCG against Miami (which isn't saying much ).