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re: Fundamentals are crucial

Posted on 12/23/09 at 10:42 am to
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 12/23/09 at 10:42 am to
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Miles pats players on the back when they make crucial mistakes


no
Posted by LJBurton
Member since Feb 2005
1397 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 10:43 am to
Anybody with two eyes, a brain, and a basic knowledge of football can see that Miles does not emphasize execution in his approach to coaching his teams. His emphasis lies elsewhere. This is not anti-Miles bias. This is factual commentary.

This along with his inablility to manage the clock are the principal reasons why I would prefer someone else coach the LSU football team.

Certainly is is hard to complain about the results he has achieved, and I am not here to do that. It has been my objective on the Rant to sound the alarm that I believe these results will not continue, without more attention to detail, execution and fundamentals from this and future LSU coaching staffs.



Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
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Posted on 12/23/09 at 10:43 am to
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no
yes

It's been documented on national TV multiple times.
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
Duke & Duke
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/23/09 at 10:45 am to
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So you would like him to throw players and coaches under the bus? You should know by now Miles just won't do that.

signed,
Jordan Jefferson
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
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Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 12/23/09 at 10:46 am to
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So you would like him to throw players and coaches under the bus?
"Throwing someone under the bus" means blaming someone for something they did not do. Do you even know the meaning of the phrase?

What I'm advoacting is deserved pusishment and/or correction of errors whenever it is right to do so- publicly if that is what's needed. That's not "throwing someone under the bus".
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33653 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 10:48 am to
The Ole Miss fiasco did dent my perception of Miles. He may have inadvertently thrown JJ under the bus......but, he did throw him. I will chalk this up to Les being human and caught up in the whirlwind. I give him this one yard pass with regard to public/player reference......I will not (in my mind) give him another.

Posted by windriver
West Monroe/San Diego
Member since Mar 2006
8656 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 10:50 am to
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Maybe one high school coach in 100 teaches fundamentals the way Saban, Meyer, Bowden and others do. They're too busy just getting half their players to count to 3.


Sad but True
Posted by nycajun
Nothin' could be finer.....
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 12/23/09 at 10:53 am to
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"Throwing someone under the bus" means blaming someone for something they did not do. Do you even know the meaning of the phrase?



You need to learn not to lead with your chin--and to consider the possibility that just because you believe something fervently doesn't mean it must be true. From the Urban Dictionary:

"To cast a person in an unfavorable light with others; to take action or make statements intended to put another person at a disadvantage."

It connotes blaming someone publicly, or to others, even if they are solely or partly to blame. It does not imply that the person "thrown under the bus" is without blame.
Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 12/23/09 at 10:55 am to
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What I'm advoacting is deserved pusishment and/or correction of errors whenever it is right to do so- publicly if that is what's needed.


Im sure Miles handles his shite in-house, which is the right thing to do. There is no reason to go public when people like you are going to tear apart everything he says anyway.
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 10:59 am to
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It is illogical to expect every coach to have the same mode of execution.

I don't.



On the one hand you claim that you don't expect every coach to do the same thing.

On the other you say that you like Saban's way of handling things and say that it should be done that way over here.



This is not about teaching fundamentals - Miles has a certain way of handling crap and Saban shovels shite a different way.
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
Duke & Duke
Member since Sep 2007
1553 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 11:06 am to
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Im sure Miles handles his shite in-house, which is the right thing to do. There is no reason to go public when people like you are going to tear apart everything he says anyway.

signed,
Jordan Jefferson

The worst part is that Jefferson was simply doing what his coach was telling him to do....& Miles still threw him under the bus. Love or hate Miles, you need to stop with the "he won't throw coaches/players under the bus" b/c that's exactly what he did (& in that case it wasn't deserved).

Plenty of other people/instances have been much more deserving of sub-bus tossing.
FYI-Bertman never shied from throwing players under the bus & he's considered a pretty good motivator.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Member since Nov 2003
86217 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 11:09 am to
Many of my favorite posters (and Baloo) on one thread.

Good thread guys, lots of comments I agree with.
I think fundamentals are excellent at some spots and negligent in others. Position coaching has been suspect for four years, and Les needs to stay on top of that on a daily basis. Delegation makes for good relationships, but not necessarily good performance.

By the way, Saban,and Urban imho, are taking advantage of excellent position coaching, which as we have learned varies from year to year. Get back to me on UF next year at this time.

Next year, we put it all together.
This post was edited on 12/23/09 at 11:12 am
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 11:12 am to
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Miles = all about emotions- love your school, the game, and your teammates, play for them and don't worry about the little things, ignore criticism just go out there and play, don't worry about your mistakes.


I would say this is Miles general approach to coaching...but when making a comparison regarding fundamentals, Miles style is to focus more on repetition and fixing errors in the actual execution of plays. He isn't worried as much about fundamental mistakes, as a Saban, for example. In some cases this works to his advantage, i.e. the BCS game when the team looked real sloppy in going down 10-0. He remained calm and the team came back to blow the doors off OSU. Saban, on the other hand, would've been blowing gaskets on the sideline, and who knows how is team would've reacted. With that said, there are some times when Miles has let crucial mistakes go that he shouldn't have...i.e. Alem's 'punt'
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 11:16 am to
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The worst part is that Jefferson was simply doing what his coach was telling him to do.


Miles "called him out" for taking the sack...not attempting to clock it
Posted by jonboy
Member since Sep 2003
7475 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 11:32 am to
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CharlesLSU


I like what you say here. I think part of the sloppiness stems from a chaotic offensive system. Just my opinion, but I think execution has been sacrificied for scheme. Too much thinking and not enough doing.
Posted by TigerBandAlumnus82
Pensacola,FL
Member since Jul 2007
3104 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 11:44 am to
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It took Gonzo all of ONE practice to see that our WRs were lining their feet up incorrectly at the line of scrimmage. He made one fundamental adjustment and supposedly has our guys getting off the ball quicker.

D.J.McCarthy.

I've been railing on this clown for 2 years, (Not just recently) and saying that he was just a great recruiter that can't technically coach shite. I also mentioned at some point in those previous two years that he was the type of coach that will eventually get LSU in trouble.

Our WR's have been plagued by dropped balls, poor route running, inconsistant blocking and molasses slow development. Now the revelation of poor footwork. Lets see, what else? Oh yeah, recruiting violations.

It all eventually comes out in the wash......
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
Duke & Duke
Member since Sep 2007
1553 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 12:04 pm to
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Miles "called him out" for taking the sack...not attempting to clock it


That's just not factual.
"I don't know who told him to clock it." -CLM

Either way, the point is that he threw him under the bus.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 12:10 pm to
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that Miles does not emphasize execution in his approach to coaching his teams.


quote:

This is factual commentary.


no, its not
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
Duke & Duke
Member since Sep 2007
1553 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 12:11 pm to
This ties right into "results" vs "performance" oriented.

So many are "results" oriented and simply see 9-3 & refuse to delve into the the very poor "performance" during the past 2 seasons (especially relative to the talent).

Fundamentals vs emotions...it's all very similar in the big picture.

I hope Miles can change it, but my optimism is limited.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33361 posts
Posted on 12/23/09 at 12:11 pm to
i noted the difference, you took it to the next level. that said i do prefer the saban approach, although both get results. mile's way is just unsustainable.
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